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Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak suggested recently that Israel's moment of decision on Iran would come not when it obtained nuclear weapons but, instead, how close Iran is to entering what he called "a zone of immunity." Barak's concern was that beyond this threshold it would no longer be possible to halt Iran's nuclear program.

What would comprise such a threshold? Increasingly, this means Iran's shifting of its enrichment activities to the underground facility in Qom as well as with the moving to Qom of more of the uranium previously enriched in Natanz. Barak seemed to imply that a military operation designed to abort Iran's nuclear efforts after the facility in Qom becomes fully operational would be meaningless or irrelevant -- it will be either impossible physically or so costly as to render it prohibitive.

Yet the focus on these issues illustrates the limits of public debate. Judging whether Israel can destroy Iran's nuclear installations from the air is difficult without access to classified information. It requires knowing, for instance, the operational capabilities of the Israeli Air Force to fly the distance carrying the required ordnance, to ascertain optimal (operationally and politically) flight paths that avoid a possible activation of other countries' air-defenses, and to bomb simultaneously multiple facilities scattered in various locations in Iran. None of the data relevant to addressing these issues is available in the public domain.

A specific example of this problem relates to the aforementioned concept of "a zone of immunity." Ascertaining the real meaning of this concept requires classified intelligence regarding the pace with which Iran is developing the facility in Qom, the rate and quantities of enriched uranium being moved from Natanz to Qom, the physical properties of the facility in Qom -- namely how well dug in the mountain it actually is and what other measures Iran has taken to protect it from air bombardment. It also requires relevant classified operational data about the capacity of the air forces of Israel and the United States to penetrate such fortified targets. Again, for obvious reasons, what exists in the public domain relevant to these questions is only an approximation of real data -- not accurate enough to reach a judgment about these critical issues.

Nevertheless, given the huge stakes involved, such questions must be debated if the United States and Israel are to avoid mindlessly stumbling into a costly military confrontation with Iran or an equally risky decision by default to avoid effective measures to arrest Iran's nuclear efforts. There are six important questions that fall under two big topics: the implications of Iran's possible acquisition of nuclear weapons and the ramifications of an attempt to prevent such acquisition by launching a military strike against Iran's nuclear installations.

The fundamental question is whether Iran's acquisition of nuclear weapons will actually amount to an "existential threat" to Israel. This might refer to the technical-physical capacity to destroy Israel, in much the same manner that the Soviets' possession of 26,000 nuclear warheads at the height of the Cold War implied the physical capacity to destroy the United States many times over. However, that would imply that once acquired, Iran would launch such weapons in efforts to end Israel's existence. Some suggest the actual threat is that such a hair-trigger environment would make Israel hostage to any small change in Iranian moods. As former Israeli Deputy Defense Minister Ephraim Sneh warned some years ago, that could breed such extreme Israeli anxieties as to induce its citizens to emigrate, also threatening Israel's existence. 

The central question is about deterrence. If efforts to arrest Iran's quest for nuclear weapons fails and Iran obtains them, will it be possible to deter it from using these weapons? Will Iran's leaders behave as rational actors so that deterrence -- which is based on leaders' ability to process and be sensitive to potential related costs -- could be applied effectively? Taking into account not only their rhetoric but more importantly their past behavior, what is the evidence suggesting that the "rational actor" assumption will not apply to Iran's leaders, therefore raising serious questions as to whether in this case a "deterrence fall-back" actually exists? Clearly, the policy implications of the first two questions are considerable because if a "deterrence fall-back" does not exist in the case of Iran, Israel will have no choice but to prevent it from obtaining nuclear weapons at all cost.

A second question is whether Iran's possible acquisition of nuclear weapons will lead to a nuclear cascade. For example, would Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt feel compelled to respond by developing nuclear capacities of their own, thus leading to a proliferation cascade? Having tolerated Israel's acquisition of nuclear weapons, would Egypt and Saudi Arabia be able to ignore a similar step by another non-Arab country in the region?

Another facet of this broader proliferation issue is what changes in Israel's nuclear posture Iran's acquisition of nuclear weapons would require. Would Israel continue to adhere to its present policy of nuclear ambiguity or will it sharpen its deterrent messages by adopting a more overt posture? And if so, would such a change further accelerate the proliferation of nuclear weapons in the region? Thus, if Iran's possession of nuclear weapons will lead Israel to feel that it must make its nuclear deterrence posture more overt, will this further press Egypt and Saudi Arabia -- and possibly Turkey -- to follow suit?

At the same time, should Iran's acquisition of nuclear weapons lead the United States to move quickly to prevent a proliferation cascade by offering its allies in the region a nuclear umbrella (otherwise referred to as "extended deterrence") how would these countries react? If Israel faces a choice between sharpening its deterrent message or accepting a U.S. nuclear guarantee, what are the pros and cons of the two possibilities? If Saudi Arabia and Egypt needs to choose between the costs and risks of attempting to develop an indigenous nuclear capacity or to accept a U.S. nuclear umbrella, is it self-evident that they would prefer the former over the latter? And how would their decision affect Israel's choice between accepting a U.S. nuclear guarantee and adopting a more overt nuclear deterrence posture?

In this scenario, how would Israel react if following Iran's acquisition of nuclear weapons other countries in the region follow suit to acquire their own, and Iran would announce that it is willing to implement nuclear arms control and disarmament measures as long as such measures are applied equitably "in a regional context?" Should Israel adopt the position that if disarmament measures could be credibly verified it would be better to have the two countries disarm their nuclear capabilities than to allow Iran to possess such weapons?

Third, what about the expectation that Iran's acquisition of nuclear weapons will embolden its allies in the region, encouraging them to behave more aggressively and to posit more dangerous challenges to Israel. This expectation requires thorough airing because it is not clear what Syria, Hezbollah, and Hamas would do that they are not doing already once Iran acquires nuclear weapons. If these parties take more bold actions because they assume that Iran's nuclear weapons will constrain Israel's responses to their more daring activities, the relevant scenarios should be simulated and explored. For example, is it realistic to expect that Iran's possession of nuclear weapons will affect the manner in which Israel will likely react to a Hezbollah cross-border attack and its abduction of an Israeli soldier?    

As noted earlier, a second set of issues that require exploration and debate concern the possible implications of an attempt to abort Iran's nuclear efforts with a military strike on its nuclear installations. The first of these concerns is the possibility that such a strike would lead Iran's allies and other Arab states to react strongly to the attack, possibly engulfing Israel in a regional war. The former head of Israel's Mossad, Meir Dagan, saw this scenario as quite likely but it is not clear on what evidence this is based. Syria is now overwhelmed by its domestic problems, if not civil war, and Hamas is increasingly disassociating itself from Iran's Syrian allies and is relocating its leadership in exile from Damascus to Cairo and Doha.

In this scenario, Hezbollah would be left alone to escalate, thus risking the likelihood that Israel would bring against it the full wrath of its military capacity, now restored in the aftermath of the summer 2006 debacle. Would Hezbollah risk its political survival to execute a Tehran-inspired retaliation? Similarly, it is not clear why other Arab states would play along with an Iran-inspired escalation and risk a confrontation with Israel when they did not react that way to Israel's 1981 bombing of Osiraq -- Iraq's nuclear reactor -- and to Israel's destruction of Syria's nuclear facility in 2007.

The second question associated with a possible Israeli military strike concerns its likely effects on Iran's domestic scene. Many observers expect such a strike to result in a "rallying around the flag" and a closing of the ranks behind its ruling regime. Thus, a military strike may stifle any prospects of "regime change" in Iran -- a change that some opponents of a military strike seem to regard not only as possible given the degree of discontent prevailing in Iran, especially among its large minorities, but also as the only long-term way of rendering Iran's nuclear efforts benign.

But is it self-evident that the Iranian public would necessarily "rally around the flag" in reaction to a military strike against the country's nuclear facilities? Could such a reaction be avoided by limiting the strike to facilities specifically associated with Iran's efforts to manufacture nuclear weapons -- thus minimizing civilian casualties -- by fully acknowledging Iran's right to a peaceful nuclear program, and by excluding from the bombing Iran's new energy-generating civilian nuclear power reactor in Busher?

A critical issue associated with a military strike is whether it would be wise for Israel to attack Iran's nuclear installations while the United States continues to oppose it arguing that such a step should be taken only after all other measures have been exhausted. The main question is not whether from a technical-operational standpoint Israel can conduct such a strike without U.S. permission given that it would require flying through or close to an area still defined as a "U.S. Theater of Operations." By early 2012 this issue has been somewhat reduced with the end of U.S. military presence in Iraq. More important is whether given Iran's threat to retaliate against an airstrike by targeting U.S. forces and assets in the region, Israel can ignore the costs that the U.S. may incur for such a strike. Indeed, even if Iran does not target U.S. forces in the region directly, any reaction by Iranian forces could ignite and pull the United States into a broader violent conflict in the Middle East. Would such unintended U.S. involvement in another war in the region invite U.S. anger directed at Israel?  

And even more broadly, given the growing intimacy of U.S.-Israeli defense cooperation, can Israel afford to ignore U.S. priorities and concerns? Addressing this issue on November 1, 2011 Defense Minister Ehud Barak reportedly told the Knesset Committee on Finance that there are times when a nation is required to defend itself even at the displeasure of its closest allies. But would it be responsible to do so in this case? Given that Israel will continue to face serious challenges in an ever-changing Middle East, and will continue to require U.S. assistance at almost every level, can Israel discount the U.S. will? Conversely, would Israel be able to diminish the expected negative U.S. reaction to its self-interested measures by meeting U.S. priorities in other fronts? For example, by doing its share to mend fences with Turkey -- a member of NATO and a close and important ally of the United States?

Much of the discussion of the prospects of Iran's acquisition of nuclear weapons, and of the efficacy of the efforts to prevent it from doing so, continues to focus on operational dimensions of this issue. Yet judgments regarding these dimensions cannot be rendered in the absence of relevant classified data. Instead, the public debate must focus on the strategic dimensions of the issue -- a realm in which civilian strategists have much to contribute. Indeed, airing these dimensions is an absolute imperative. Without it we are condemned to repeat the mistakes of the past or to commit worse ones. More important, without such airing we are doomed to step mindlessly closer and closer to a military confrontation with Iran or, possibly just as dangerous, to accept and accommodate its nuclear ambitions and designs.        

Brig. Gen. (ret.) Shlomo Brom is a former Head of Strategic Planning in the IDF's Planning Branch. He is a Senior Research Associate at the Institute for National Security Studies (INSS) in Tel Aviv; Prof. Shai Feldman is Director of the Crown Center for Middle East Studies at Brandeis University and a former Head of Tel Aviv University's Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies; Amb. Shimon Stein, a former Deputy Director General of Israel's Foreign Ministry and a former Israeli Ambassador to Berlin is a Senior Research Fellow at INSS. 

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TARQUINIS

10:08 AM ET

January 30, 2012

War on Iran is wrong, and also a Catastrophe

From Washington Post January 30, 2012:

TEHRAN, Iran — Iran’s top diplomat offered Monday to extend the current visit of U.N. nuclear inspectors and expressed optimism their findings would help ease tensions despite international claims that Iran is trying to build nuclear weapons...

Iranian media said the team is likely to visit an underground enrichment site near Qom, 80 miles (130 kilometers) south of Tehran, which is carved into a mountain as protection from possible airstrikes. Earlier this month, Iran said it had begun enrichment work at the site, which is far smaller than the country’s main uranium labs but is reported to have more advanced equipment...

Bruce Riedel, a senior fellow at Brookings, recently wrote in the Nixon Centre's "National Interest" that a new war on Iran would be “catastrophic”.

“An Israeli attack on Iran is a disaster in the making. And it will directly impact key strategic American interests. Iran will see an attack as American supported if not American orchestrated. The aircraft in any strike will be American-produced, supplied and funded F-15s and F-16s, and most of the ordnance will be from American stocks. Washington's $3 billion in assistance annually makes possible the IDF's conventional superiority in the region. Iran will almost certainly retaliate against both U.S. and Israeli targets.... Even if Iran chooses to retaliate in less risky ways, it could respond indirectly by encouraging Hezbollah attacks against Israel and Shia militia attacks against U.S. forces in Iraq, as well as terrorist attacks against American and Israeli targets in the Middle East and beyond.”

“America's greatest vulnerability would be in Afghanistan. Iran could easily increase its assistance to the Taliban and make the already-difficult Afghan mission much more complicated. Western Afghanistan is especially vulnerable to Iranian mischief, and NATO has few troops there to cover a vast area. President Obama would have to send more, not fewer, troops to fight that war.”

“Making matters worse, considering the likely violent ramifications, even a successful Israeli raid would only delay Iran's nuclear program.... Support for the existing sanctions on Iran after a strike would likely evaporate.”

A third war against Islam, against Iran that in reality is no military threat to superpower Israel, an Iran that suffers from Sunni radicalism as much as we do (Jundallah), for reasons of nuclear WMD which they do not have and may never have, and because of Iran's political opposition to Zionism, is the clear tipping point to worldwide catastrophe in many ways geopolitical, military and economic. Mass chaos from Lebanon to Pakistan. Straights of Hormuz being largely shut. How does $300 per barrel for oil on a global and fungible market strike you?

No worldwide catastrophe for Israel. We have had enough already!

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BETZ55

12:07 PM ET

January 31, 2012

Attention Schlomo - this is for you and the rest of your ilk

First of all read what Walt has to say
http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/01/30/Israel's_not_going_to_attack_Iran_yet

Listen to Israel piously scream for us to bomb Iran.. a signatory to the NPT, which israel refuses to sign.

Israel's refusal to sign the NPT and be open about it's nuclear weaponry makes the US and Israel hypocrites when it rails against Irans nuclear development.

Every country has the right to defend themselves especially against Israel who is the most aggressive and warmongering place in the middle east.

Iran is sovereign state and is allowed under the NNPT to enrich uranium. Would the US or Israel tolerate another country dictating to them the terms of their program? No? Why should Iran?

Second, let me get this straight Schlomo, Israel can claim 'ambiguitiy' over nukes but Iran who is publicly stating 'we're not interested in nukes' is only good for a 'defensive' war started Israel?

And as long as Israel defends nuclear ambiguity as 'strategic advantage', Iran can also defend it's nuclear ambiguity as 'strategic advantage'.

So leave Iran alone as long as you allow Israel and any other country to defend it's nuclear ambiguity as 'strategic advantage'.

If the US and Israel want Iranian nuclear transparency, then Israel better be just as tranparent.

Let me say that again so you get it -- if the US and Israel want Iranian nuclear transparency, then Israel better be just as tranparent.

This whole Iran issue is only being pushed by people like you, the Israelis, the neocons and AIPAC whose loyalties are with Israel and it is to the detriment of America's interests.

Iran has not broken a single article of the NPT, and there is no evidence behind anything essential they are being accused of.

In addition, try this one - name the country that already has nukes, and they have whole sections of their country that are controlled only by militants, and they use that area to stage attacks against us. A whole country overflowing with poor radicals who hate the US and Israel.

They sell nuke tech to other hostile nations and maybe to terrorists. Their military sympathizes with their militants. and they are already at war with another of our allies.

Oh, wait, that's our ally Pakistan.

Now, why is Iran more dangerous that our ally Pakistan again?

Just find out the actual facts by doing a little research. The war drums, fear mongering, racism, all the rest, and all the noise we are hearing is AIPAC/Israel lobby/ Israel firsters/ Israeli agitation-propaganda trying to get their way and have America fight a war for Israel which is not in the US interests...just like Iraq. Remember Iraq and Iran were/are the 2 major foreign policy threats to Israel, not America. Reject and ignore all the propaganda.

You can not stop an idea with bombs. The Iranians can and will build a bomb just like you did in Israel Schlomo, in secret.

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SPOOD

12:27 PM ET

January 31, 2012

Attention dumbass calling himself BETZ

Nobody with half a brain (or without an agenda) believes Iran has peaceful intentions with their nuclear program. Iran has been using its efforts to deliberately create fear and conflict.

Despite your efforts to conflate Israel and Iran's programs there are glaring differences you want to ignore (in your effort to attack Israel on principle)

Israel never threatened its neighbors with its nukes
Israel never revealed their program until after the first weapons were built
Israel never made provocative military exercises designed to instill fear in their rivals/neighbors.

Unlike Iran, Pakistan never advertised its enrichment program, egging its hostile neighbors on. Pakistan completed its program under utmost secrecy until its big test.

Iran's program is designed solely for the purposes of creating a conflict and panicking rival arab states.

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BETZ55

2:05 PM ET

January 31, 2012

Your hasbara is laughable

You have mistaken Iran for Israel.

One of the key reasons that the Israeli government and the Israel lobby have lost so much influence all around the world in recent years, and especially among well-educated sectors of Europe and the United States, is because they tend to rely heavily on “arguments” like the one you just made—personal attacks and smears, and especially wild accusations that don't hold up to the facts.

Typical, classic pro-Israel post. It contains all the hallmarks: it‘s loaded with gratuitous personal insults and makes unsupported assertions completely ignoring the facts.

But then, you gotta work with what you have. Logically and morally, if one is an Israel supporter, like you, that‘s not much.

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AREN HAICH

5:59 PM ET

January 31, 2012

A Test Of Willingness And Principle For The US And Iran

FOR THE WILLING AND THE PRINCIPLED SOLUTION TO IRAN’S NUCLEAR IMPASSE IS SIMPLE:

1- US and Russia create an international bank for Low Enriched Uranium (LEU).

2- Iran is allowed to produce as much LEU as it desires on the condition that it sells its stock of LEU in excess of one ton to the LEU-bank.

3- Iran is guaranteed unlimited purchase of LEU fuel-rods for its nuclear power stations and research reactors.

The above formula should satisfy both the West and Iran:
Iran will continue its pursuit of nuclear technology for peaceful purposes unhindered; and at no point in time will have enough LEU to enrich further to build a bomb.

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DELTA22

7:53 PM ET

January 30, 2012

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North Korea has nukes, and to my knowledge they still haven't managed to successfully miniaturize a warhead to where they can mount one on a ballistic missile. Iran is going to face the same hurdle, so there's still plenty of time for sanctions and containment to take their toll. Furthermore if Iran is found to have developed a nuke, then that means they are in open defiance of the NPT. World opinion would turn decisively against Iran, and Russia and China would be forced to stop defending its regime which would open the door for even more sanctions or military strikes.

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SPOOD

10:18 PM ET

January 30, 2012

Actually not really

There was never any confirmation that the Norks actually exploded an atomic weapon in their alleged test a few years ago. It was either a fizzle or faked with large amounts of conventional explosives. After the fizzle, we stopped taking the North Koreans seriously. Their bluff was called.

The big worry there now is not nuclear weapons, its how to decommission Yongbyon as to not cause a North Korean Chernobyl and spread radiation all over Seoul, Beijing and Western Japan.

Iran seems bent on avoiding showing their hand so easily. They are playing the same game as the Norks but with a little more help from useful idiots outside the region who will snap at any chance for slinging anti-west rhetoric or somehow relating this mess to Israel.

Iran is not building a nuke. They are pretending to build a nuke.

Make no bones about it, they know the world is deeply skeptical about "peaceful nuclear development" coming out of Iran. Rather than assuage fears, the Iranian government is fueling them as much as possible. The whole point of this is to get the population to "rally around the flag".

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DILBERT

5:39 AM ET

January 31, 2012

Wouldn't it be funny

if this were true and the Iranians were really just going through the motions to make everyone think they wanted (or have) a nuke. What makes it even funnier (sadder) is that Israel's own nuke program is most probably also "just for show" (i.e. why waste money building real nukes when it's a lot cheaper to just make everyone think you have them instead - same deterrence at 0.001% of the cost). Given both people's stereotypes of being tightfisted with money, I'd bet this is what is really going on in those underground, hard to verify locations in both countries.

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SPOOD

10:20 AM ET

January 31, 2012

The Israeli nuclear arsenal

The Israeli nuclear arsenal is far more credible simply due to the fact that they didn't even reveal it until years after the fact and after the country came out of a war where its existence was fundamentally threatened.

To quote Peter Sellers in Dr. Strangelove, "The whole point of the Doomsday Machine is lost if you keep it a secret"

But Iran's actions which are 99% endorsement followed by 1% enrichment seem to be far too obvious and designed to inflame tensions to be taken seriously.

If Iran was seriously pursuing nuclear weapons, it would not be making so much noise about "peaceful purposes". They know the world would be skeptical of any nuclear intentions by them. Building nukes are expensive, time consuming and costly. Creating an international incident to extort and scare your neighbors is much cheaper.

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JOHNBOY4546

1:22 AM ET

January 31, 2012

Seems to be a lot of assumptions in this article

Themost obvious is the assumption that the Iranians are actually attempting to manufacture nuclear weapons, in contrast to the alternative i.e. the Iranians are attempting to build up a nuclear industry that would Give Them That Option If They Chose To Take It.

Another assumption is that Israel and/or the USA can launch a "military strike".

That last assumption is certainly untrue.

Panetta has admitted that the USA would need to use B-2 bombers to crack the Iranian bunkers, and there is no way - none at all - that the USAF would risk B-2 bombers while the Iranians still have an air defence system.

So you are talking about a military CAMPAIGN i.e. first the USAF would have to destroy the Iranian airforce on the ground, then it has to take out all the AA missile sites, and then it would need to decimate Iranian Command&Control.

And then - and only then - would they send the B-2's into Iranian airspace.

That's not a "military strike", guys.

That's "a war", and the funny thing about wars is that it ain't over until it's over i.e. you can yell "Mission Accomplished!!!" as long and as loud as you want, and that rhetoric doesn't mean much if the other sides begs to differ......

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GRANT

9:54 AM ET

January 31, 2012

Rhetoric isn't a trustworthy

Rhetoric isn't a trustworthy indicator for nuclear intentions and willingness to use nuclear weapons. Looking at statements by by Indian, Pakistani, Chinese, Soviet and American leaders over the past sixty years one could reasonably think that the planet had constantly been seconds away from nuclear war.

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TIMING

9:55 AM ET

January 31, 2012

only one option is the good option. iran without nukes

everything else is mental masturbation.

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TIMING

3:32 PM ET

January 31, 2012

no boots needed...the US and eu and israel can DESTROY iran

iran's nukes are a threat to worldwide economy....everyone here who imposibly thinks iran should be allowed to have nukes, your whole world is going to change once it does....it wont be israel's fault, it will be irans.

israel has had nukes responsibly for over 50 yrs...an amazing achievement given the neighbourhood they live in...shoe on the other foot? the middle east would be glowing...

but, israel can and should use nukes if it becomes necessary. I see nothing wrong with the results of hiroshima and nagasaki....both cities rebuilt quickly and properly...war was brought to an end immediately. hundreds of thousands of lives were saved as a result.

so much for the theories that a nuke strike will render the land useless for 200 yrs etc....lol....

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DIGGLER

6:25 PM ET

January 31, 2012

@TIMING

"but, israel can and should use nukes if it becomes necessary. I see nothing wrong with the results of hiroshima and nagasaki....both cities rebuilt quickly and properly......war was brought to an end immediately. hundreds of thousands of lives were saved as a result.

so much for the theories that a nuke strike will render the land useless for 200 yrs etc....lol...."

@TIMING
what the hell?

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TIMING

6:52 PM ET

January 31, 2012

what the hell? what do you object to?

Its perfectly logical...if israel is threatened existentially, they reserve the right to use all and any means to defend itself.

Hiroshima and nagasaki were perfectly justified in context to the times and the invasion scenarios. The cities were rebuilt so the argument that the environment becomes a wasteland is bunk. I'm not quite sure what you have issue with?

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DIGGLER

6:58 PM ET

January 31, 2012

USA and Iran get friends

how about that:
US and Iran sit together and talk (call it 2-4 talks)
result: Iran will replace Israel in the geopolitical importance for the USA.... i mean, we are hesitating to attack still yet they don't have a comparable military might
imagine we help them (investing the huge Cash amounts of us companies after 08 crash)or just let them do without any sanctions and covert war....... And lets say after 15 years we have a friendly nation comparable with japan but in the middle east with lots of oil and gas and strategic wealth in the globalized world (think about the Hormuz thing...think more +influence ind ME-region) lot more than Israel had after ww2.
Israel wold be forced to be friendly and change its attitude and i guess this is the reason why some people think the whole world will chane with a nuclear-iran...maybe the small world they live in

and after all hypothetical nuke capacity things don't forget what Obama keeps saying:
all options are on the table ore there is no option of the table...maybe the option of talks...maybe the option of CHANGE

yes yes i know i forgot china and Russia but hey it worked in lybia.

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DIGGLER

7:23 PM ET

January 31, 2012

@timing

everything some1 can say against the use of nukes is said again and again by the Israeli government since 2003..but in short and without any connection to the logic of Israel: The Atom-Bomb is a WMD and even the people who invented this kind of WMD were afraid of it.

"Hiroshima and Nagasaki were perfectly justified in context to the times and the invasion scenarios." yes the US had to show the Soviets that tey have the bomb and invasion scenario:ever heard about the Operation Overlord...why didn't the us wait till they had the bomb Hiroshima was just 1 year later.when stacks are so high the USA- at a full scale war- would never give a dam about invasion scenario in the case of human lost( like they showed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki) . And when why didn't the us wait till they had the bomb Hiroshima was just 1 year later.when we talk about war we first talk about humans killing humans the argument that the environment becomes a wasteland is not the main argument..its another story

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TIMING

10:56 PM ET

January 31, 2012

 

TIMING

10:10 PM ET

February 2, 2012

a great article...well worth the read

a great article...

http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/News/Article.aspx?id=256316

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