The United Nations has now reported that the killings of eight Turkish citizens and one American passenger by Israeli commandos on the Mavi Marmara flotilla sailing to Gaza, were excessive, abusive and brutal. Israel was the attacker and its killings cannot be claimed to have been in self-defence.

The Turkish government has now cut all ties with Israel, as a result, including all military co-operation. So too should the European Union. Where there is no justice and where morality is replaced by abuse and brutality, then democracy is dead and society is corrupted.

It is a tragedy of the 21st century that a state born out of compassion by the UN after WW2 should have embraced brutality as a means to a political end and in the process lost its compass, its humanity and its respect for life and law.

The problem with the report was that each side will use the report to confirm their preexisting opinions. Nothing will change until both sides swallow their pride and bury the hatchet.

An observation of European history suggest there is an order in which nations arise, eg
Portugal – 1400, Spain – 1500, Holland – 1600, France – 1700, Britain – 1800. Each nation listed above became a force to be reckoned with, in the century shown. The duration of their glory and the extent of their power varied,but they all arose within a specific order. This is not suggesting these nations did not exist and have an identity before the centuries shown, it simply identify the century within which it's “ Golden Years “ occurred .If in fact the nations of the earth acquire their power according to law, it might be speculated that the geographic location they occupy is also determined by law.. If we compare a map of the Ancient Middle East and Modern Europe it is possible to identify the corresponding geographic regions in both east and west and speculate on their future role in world events. A comparison of these regions lead to the following conclusion.
Saudi Arabia = Italy,
Syria = France
Iraq = Germany
Greece = Britain
Egypt = Spain

This comparison makes it possible to accurately compare events between ancient Roman Civilization and Islamic Civilization as well as between Ancient Mesopotamia and Modern Europe. Both the Italian and Arabian Peninsulas were host to major centers of civilization, which expanded and collapsed in a remarkable similar manner,despite the obvious difference in the style of their governments. Rome was founded in 753 BC and collapsed in 476 AD, following the conquest of it's territory by Germanic tribes, it lasted 1229 years. The Islamic world came to prominence in 632 AD,and crumbled 1200 years later after being colonized by European nations .

The year 2011 is 1379 years from the establishment of the Islamic world in 632 AD. If we add this many years to 743 BC , the founding date of Rome , it gives us 626 AD. This is the date in Roman history that correspond to contemporary Middle East events. At this time in it's history Rome's western provinces were two centuries under the domination of Germanic tribes, one of which the Visigoths lived in the region of Aquitaine and Catalonia on the border of France and Spain. This region correspond to the area of Palestine and the Sinai Peninsula in the Middle East. The arrival of the Visigoths in this region created a degree of instability, initially, but as they integrated with the local population a new ruling class emerged which was acceptable to both peoples. This political compromise endured for almost a century until it was swept away in the Moorish Invasion of 711 AD. By then it had laid the institutions and culture for both, a Catholic Spain and a Protestant Aquitaine in south west France, which were to emerge centuries later.
While a political compromise seem to have worked for the Visigoths in Europe it is highly unlikely that any such compromise is possible in Palestine given the hatred between Jews and Arabs. Despite this however the lessons of history clearly point in that direction

Ms. Bashi states "it has been clear that the report would not provide a credible legal analysis of the issue that was the reason for the flotilla in the first place " and later that "it determined that Israel's naval blockade of Gaza was lawful and that Turkey should have done more to stop the flotilla." The Palmer committee conducted a legal analysis to reach that conclusion! Ms. Bashi has the right to critisize their legal analysis for a variety of technical reasons, but she presents no basis for her claim that the committee's objective was to "the Palmer Committee sought a political outcome -- to facilitate rehabilitation of Israeli-Turkish relations." This is pure speculation. The fact is that nothing would satisfy the Turkish government or Ms. Bashi, unless the committee found that the blockade was illegal!

Reports of this kind are probably not a good idea. Palmer et al were faced with the impossible task or arbitrating an historical event while navigating a minefield, but they appear to have managed it without blowing up themselves of anyone else; they may have learned a thing or two from Goldstone.

The situation in Ur-Palestine has been allowed to fester to the point where, like flies to a dung heap, it attracts hosts of nut cases and untidy passions. MMCMILLAN employs somewhat provocative oversimplifications but is right that we appear to be approaching the endgame and there is no longer time left for the Zionists to make up the points they have lost, only to go down fighting. If it were chess, they would concede gracefully.

So many Palestinian supporters are taking their places on the benches, they already outnumber the hardcore Zionist faction. If, as I read elsewhere today, the Egyptians are really going to close the smuggling tunnels into Gaza than that will likely create another humanitarian crisis for Al Jazeera at just about the moment Abbas is at the UN making his bid for Palestinian statehood. The real danger is that the Israeli leadership will attempt to do a Gadaffi and fight to the bitter end, and our principal hope against that is that the saner Israelis might take their minds off their housing problems long enough to change their leaders.

I know it is unfashionable to say so, but I have a niggling suspicion Obama has foreseen this stage of the game all along.

do believe that it has been clear that the report from UN would not provide a credible legal analysis of the issue that was the reason for the flotilla in the first place//gliderforbaby, glidersfornursery, littlecastlegliders//, the UN decision that it determined that Israel's naval blockade of Gaza was lawful and that Turkey should have done more to stop the flotilla, it is not fair. it is not bring justice to the humanity. i believe this decision come from the influence USA lobby //beststeamiron, electricteapot, biometricsafe //, //nurserychairs// i hope UN see that israel But Israel to ban gaza the entrance of construction materials, export of finished goods, and travel of persons between Gaza and the West Bank, blocking economic and social recovery. it must be stopglidersfornursery
//gedehumidifier, lgdehumidifier,

Turkey is a major European state, an important member of NATO and a future member of the EU. Israel is a Middle Eastern state which is, for the present, allowed a trading concession with the European Union by virtue of the EU-Israel Association Agreement. But Israel is and has been in breach of the human rights provision of that agreement for some time and there is the possibility that it will be abrogated.

That Turkey is breaking all military ties with Israel, who is a non-member of NATO, makes good sense, and better security for Europe. The EU should follow suit.

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Turkey's current radical Islamic government has only one objective--to re-establish the Ottoman Empire with Erdogone I as its new Sultan , and to do so over the bodies of others. They are overextending themselves and will fail. Arabs have no love of Turks, regardless of Erdo's attempt to push himself on them in a fawning manner by using his hatred of Jews / Israel as weapon.

Turkey has a long and ongoing record of persecuting minorities and those peoples it believes are weaker. The vaunted (paper) Turkish army has murdered over 40,000 Kurds over the past three decades whom the Turks are refusing to grant their freedom and attempting to extinguish their culture and language.

Turkish military illegally occupies part of the free country of Cyprus, a member of the EU, and is threatening that country if they continue to develop the natural gas reserves in the sea off their country.

Turkey had stolen the land and other property over the last many decades of the Greek minority living in their country and has driven most of the Greeks from their homes.

Turks murdered over 1,000,000 Armenians in 1917-1918 and arrogantly and stupidly refuse to admit the genocide they carried out.

Lets see, now Turkey is threatening Cyprus, threatening Syria, bombing and killing innocent Kurds in Iraq through cross border attacks into another country, and to show their even handiness they are threatening Israel.

The Turkish Army is body of short term draftees--6 moths to 12 months service, has not engaged in real combat since its defeat in World War I, has no logistical capability worth noting, depends 100% in the US for military supplies, has no nuclear arsenal, its troops are being mauled by the Kurdish freedom fighters in Eastern Turkey and they ridiculously respond by bombing Iraq, etc.

Israel should quietly supply the Kurds with shoulder fired missiles for use against tanks and aircraft, and then watch what happens to the Turkish draftees and their air support on the mountain roads of Western Iraq.

Oh yes, Erdo I, do not forget that Israel has a combat hardened army, a combat hardened Air Force, and nuclear tipped missiles more than capable of eliminating Turkey as an inhabited place. They are not the weak Cypriots Turkey can manhandle with its draftees.

The US should end its military relationship with Turkey until it removes its Islamic fascist government of Erdo I and his buffoon President and declare that Turkey is no longer a m ember of NATO. The EU will never allow an Islamic nation to be part of Europe for all the obvious reasons.

I wonder if Attaturk is rolling over in his grave. Don't worry about Erdo I and Turkey, high mounds of garbage fall by their own weight.

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just to clarify the 2 names.

Arvay is pro-Israeli
Aravay is against Israel (and Jews). He is the troll here.

Israel is a Middle Eastern state which is, for the present, allowed a trading concession with the European Union by virtue of the EU-Israel Association Agreement. But Israel is and has been in breach of the human rights best gardening tips provision of that agreement for some time and there is the possibility that it will be abrogated.