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One of the great bluffs in the foreign policy community in the previous decade was that Israel would have no choice but to attack Iran's nuclear facilities unless Washington stepped up and took military action first. With predictable frequency since the mid-1990s, reports emerged claiming that Israel was months, if not weeks, away from bombing Iran. And every time a new dire warning was issued, a new rationale was presented to convince the world that the latest Israeli warning was more serious than the previous one. The Israeli threats, however, were bluffs all along. Israel did not have the capacity to take out Iran's nuclear facilities. But the huffing and puffing ensured that the American military option remained on the table; that Washington would not deviate from the Israeli red line of rejecting uranium enrichment on Iranian soil; and that the Iranian nuclear program was kept at the top of the international community's agenda. 

But the persistent bluffing also carried a price. The Israeli narrative on Iran has grown increasingly alarmist, desperate, and existential over the past 15 years. Inflating the Iranian threat served several purposes domestically. It provided Israeli Prime Ministers Yitzhak Rabin and Shimon Peres a rationale to push for peace with the Palestinians in the 1990s, while more recently Benjamin Netanyahu has used it to resist pressure from Washington to do just that. But the domestic benefits came at the price of limiting Israel's options and flexibility vis-à-vis Iran. As Israeli politicians built up the Iranian threat and established a near-consensus that Tehran constituted an existential threat, it became increasingly difficult for any Israeli politician to walk back the threat depiction without losing critical political capital at home. As a result, there was a steady escalation of the threat depiction from Iran and no clear ways to de-escalate.

I wrote about this in the Forward in late 2007, pointing out that Israel was suffering from strategic paralysis due to its inability to adjust to the region's new realities and walk back its alarmist position on Iran. Today, Israel's strategic position in the region is at even greater risk. In the past few years, for instance, tensions have steadily increased between Israel and Turkey with the friction reaching a boiling point after the Gaza flotilla incident in 2010. As a result, the strategic alliance with Turkey seems to be lost for the foreseeable future. Now, with the fall of the Mubarak regime in Egypt, Israel has lost its most important Arab ally. Thus, the cost of the strategic paralysis is greater today than it was even a few years ago.

Against this backdrop, statements by both Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak and former Mossad Chief Meir Dagan in the past few days have stirred the political pot in Israel and made headlines worldwide. Speaking at a conference in Jerusalem, Dagan said that bombing Iran's nuclear installations would be "a stupid idea," adding that military action might not achieve all of its goals and could lead to a long war. Numerous Israeli officials have derided him for undercutting the pressure on Iran.

Yet, Dagan is not the first Israeli to contradict the official Israeli line shortly after leaving office. His predecessor at the Mossad, Efrahim Halevi, challenged a related Israeli talking point on Iran after having retired -- the idea that the Iranians are irrational and as a result neither containment nor diplomacy can be pursued. "I don't think they are irrational, I think they are very rational. To label them as irrational is escaping from reality, and it gives you kind of an escape clause," he told me in 2006.

Similarly, on the eve of his departure from political life, outgoing Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert delivered a stinging parting shot in 2008 questioning the feasibility of an Israeli military strike against Iran's nuclear facilities. Olmert told the Israeli daily Yedioth Ahronoth that Israel had lost its "sense of proportion" when stating that it would deal with Iran militarily. "What we can do with the Palestinians, the Syrians and the Lebanese, we cannot do with the Iranians," Olmert said. "Let's be more modest, and act within the bounds of our realistic capabilities," he cautioned.

One of the few Israeli leaders who has consistently cautioned against Israel's alarmist line on Iran is current Defense Minister Ehud Barak. Earlier this week, he warned against hysteria on the Iranian threat and argued that Iran is unlikely to attack Israel with a nuclear bomb. "I don't think in terms of panic," he said. "What about Pakistan, some political meltdown happens there and four bombs wind up in Iran. So what? So you head for the airport? You close down the country? Just because they got a shortcut? No. We are still the most powerful in the Middle East." Barak's position on this matter is not new. He warned against making Israel a target of Iran by inflating the Iranian threat as far back as 1993. "We should, therefore, not create a climate of hysteria by setting ourselves up as Iran's main target," Barak said according to Agence France Presse.

Dagan's challenge to the official Israeli line may have been calculated to do exactly what no sitting Israeli Prime Minister seems capable of doing -- breaking the strategic paralysis, and to stop painting Israel in a corner where pressure on the U.S. to attack Iran chips away from Israel's credibility due to its repeated inability to fulfill its threats.

If so, Dagan's move may not just enable Israel to more effectively adjust itself to the new regional realities, it may also enable Washington to address the broader set of challenges presented by Iran that have been neglected -- which include Iran's regional policies, its human rights abuses, and the repression of the Iranian people's struggle for democracy. Dagan's injection of realism, by reducing the nuclear hysteria that has inhibited America's maneuverability, may free Washington to paint itself out of its own nuclear corner and begin working to address the totality of the Iranian challenge.

Trita Parsi is president of the National Iranian American Council and author of Treacherous Alliance: The Secret Dealings of Israel, Iran, and the U.S.

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IRANIANAMERICAN

1:18 PM ET

May 11, 2011

Insightful

Israel needs to adapt to the changing world around it. The fall of Mubarak in particular will limit Israel's ability to launch any strikes against Iran. This issue cannot be solved through bombs - the cost of war is too high and the U.S. is too broke. Not to mention, bombing would just make Iran take its nuclear program underground with new-found international sympathy...

 

ALIMOSTOFI

1:35 PM ET

May 11, 2011

Trita please use the correct terminology

Trita

If you used the terms "Ayatollah regime" in your articles, instead of "Iran", then the whole argument would be a lot clearer. By using the word "Iran" to describe the activities of Ayatollahs, you are confusing the issues. Do not mix Iranian people or Iran with the will of the Ayatollahs. Once you do that regularly, then the world will realise that the situation much more clearly. You will then find that you can describe the people of Iran as against the Ayatollahs etc etc.

 

LOGICAL123

2:13 PM ET

May 11, 2011

What is your point?

You have nothing useful to say except to criticize Parsi for referring to Iran by its proper name. Maybe you want him to call it, "The Islamic Republic of Iran." Royalist and MKO members constantly attack Parsi. Which are you? He is mostly talking about what Israel says about Iran. Is that too complicated to understand?

Actually, this article gives a very appropriate analysis of the Israeli attitude towards Iran. As far as Barak and Olmert are concerned, however, they both contradict themselves constantly. Barak has made some realistic comments about Iran in the past, but he criticized Dagan recently for his statement. Olmert who is actually a crook and a war criminal, also constantly contradicts himself. So, I would definitely not quote Olmert to make any point.

 

HIGHLAMA

3:05 PM ET

May 11, 2011

Not even close

To pretend there is no Iranian threat and to suggest that Israel only inflated it is ludicrous. Iranian leadership has made huge inroads in the Arab world by it's promises to help destroy Israel. Genocidal public statements by Ahmadinejad have been unqualified.

The reality is that Israel has been doing the bidding of the US who didn't want to get involved in a direct fight with Iran, but Israel's concerns are still real.

 

LOGICAL123

3:49 PM ET

May 11, 2011

Iran is not a threat to Israel

Iran has not made any threats against Israel. On the contrary, it is Israel that makes constant threats against Iran. The claim that Ahmadinejad wants to "wipe out Israel" was based on a mistranslation that Israel and the neo-cons continue to perpetuate. He only "predicted" that Israel would disappear (like the Soviet Union, the Roman Empire or Yugoslavia) and never said Iran would have a hand in it. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Besides, Iran has no nuclear weapons program, while Israel has hundreds of nuclear missiles and it is constantly arming the submarines that stupid Germany gives to them free of charge with these missiles and is sending them to the Persian Gulf. So, who is threatening whom? By the way, the 2011 US NIE confirmed that Iran has no nuclear weapons program. This is consensus of 16 US intelligence agencies. Do you have your own intelligence that tells you otherwise?

 

TEXPAT

12:43 AM ET

May 12, 2011

DIPLOMACY THROUGH MONEY; THEN DO WHAT YOU WANT

The last act of the Jews being forced out is to send a nuclear missile to a certain tomb from one of their subs is always intresting. Israel is just rattling it's sword to get mroe money from the USA. But face it; giving money to countries has not always worked and forget about the UN.
In talking to an Iranian at the Dubai airport the "people" do not care about the international politics and do not wnat war with Israel or the US.
Before WWI their was a call for isolationisim. That did not work however I think we have over done it in competition with other "political idealisim". Look at Pakistanan, Iraq and Afgahinistan. give a bunch of money with no way to make sure it influences people or get clean water for their constiguents is just not goign to happen; but the Mercedes dealer is goign to be happy.

 

AL-SAEI

11:45 AM ET

May 12, 2011

wipe out Israel

HIGHLAMA..

YOU said :

"The claim that Ahmadinejad wants to "wipe out Israel" was based on a mistranslation that Israel and the neo-cons continue to perpetuate."

Are you sure with this?

can you provide any kind of proof plz.. am so interested

 

MO C.

4:43 PM ET

June 7, 2011

Ahmedinejad

Ahmedinejad never threatened to wipe Israel off the map. He just predicted it will disappear like the soviet union. See this article by Juan Cole:
http://www.juancole.com/2007/06/ahmadinejad-i-am-not-anti-semitic.html

 

BIBIJON

5:11 PM ET

May 11, 2011

What about the Iranian perspective?

Iran by all accounts took her responsibility for convincing the west of her peaceful nuclear intentions very seriously.

It started with suspension of enrichment activity, and voluntary implementation of the additional protocol (snap inspections by IAEA any where without notice) from 2003 to 2005.

Iran's UN Ambassador, Javad Zarif wrote in 2006:

"Lost amid the rhetoric is this: Iran has a strong interest in enhancing the integrity and authority of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. It has been in the forefront of efforts to ensure the treaty's universality. Iran's reliance on the nonproliferation regime is based on legal commitments, sober strategic calculations and spiritual and ideological doctrine. Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the leader of the Islamic Republic, has issued a decree against the development, production, stockpiling and use of nuclear weapons. "
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/06/opinion/06zarif.html?_r=2&scp=3&sq=javad%20zarif&st=cse

Later, Hassan Rohani, Iran's chief nuclear negotiator wrote in

"A nuclear weaponized Iran destabilizes the region, prompts a regional arms race, and wastes the scarce resources in the region. And taking account of U.S. nuclear arsenal and its policy of ensuring a strategic edge for Israel, an Iranian bomb will accord Iran no security dividends. There are also some Islamic and developmental reasons why Iran as an Islamic and developing state must not develop and use weapons of mass destruction."
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1192435,00.html?iid=perma_share

Iran must have eventually realized the accusations against her are just a pretext for a war of aggression, necessitating plan B -- build enough missiles to flatten Tel Aviv in response to being attacked.

It is this, and only this capacity to retaliate massively which has had (human rights loving) folks to postpone the dream of dropping large amounts of bombs on Iranians' heads.

Iran would be smart to assume the dream lives on.

 

BIBIJON

12:58 PM ET

May 12, 2011

@JGARBUZ

You touch on a number of points that through incessant repetition have become memes though they defied common sense to begin with.

a) Swimming in oil
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Oil is not only finite but increasingly expensive. On both those counts any forward looking government of Iran would look to diversify the sources of energy for internal consumption.

according to US government data for example, Iran's efforts at generating hydroelectric power can only be described as Herculean -- "as of late 2007 some 85 water dams were under construction" (source http://ei-01.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/Iran/Electricity.html)

Also, Iran's efforts at harnessing solar energy is non-too-shabby. She was ranked fourth in the world in that regard. (source http://www.developing8.org/2008/11/24/solar-energy-use-upbeat-iran/)

All of this underlines a fact of 'peak oil'. Here is passage from http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2011/0429/1224295673147.html

Quote
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For the first time, the International Energy Agency has conceded that global crude oil production has already peaked and that the commodity will become more and more expensive.

In the Catalyst programme broadcast last night on Australia’s ABC1 television, the agency’s chief economist, Fatih Birol, said “peak oil” was reached in 2006.

He said that he expected oil prices to rise by 30 per cent over the next three years.

“The existing [oil] fields are declining so sharply that in order to stay where we are in terms of production levels in the next 25 years, we have to find and develop four new Saudi Arabias,” Dr Birol said.

end Quote
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Lastly, it is difficult to argue that Iran was deemed in dire need of nuclear energy back in 1976 (see http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3983-2005Mar26.html) but 25 years later with a doubling of population she should forgo a very economic source of energy, nuclear.

b) The dreaded hegemon
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Iran's Hegemonic designs for the region requires grounding in some facts and figures on military expenditure. And/or some historical precedence. According to http://armscontrolcenter.org/policy/securityspending/articles/fy09_dod_request_global/

The military expenditure of the following countries may be of some relevance:

Country, Military Spending (Billions of $)
USA, 711.0
Saudi Arabia, 29.5
Israel, 11.0
United Arab Emirates, 9.5
Iran, 7.2

In terms of ratio of GDP to military expenditure, Iran spends less than any of the countries that she is supposed to be itching to dominate. Go figure. If one additionally considers precedence (or lack thereof) then surely after over 250 years of not invading any of her neighbors, then the likelihood Iran 'forcing' her will onto the region is rather far fetched.

c) Iran's Nuclear capability will cower everyone around her.
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I just cannot imagine a situation where even adopting such an aggressive nuclear posture by Iran (let alone actually threatening anyone, and totally let alone actually nuking anyone) would not be suicidal. I think this argument only holds water if one considers Iran to be irrational. But there is no evidence for this.

"The martyr state view rests on bold, even radical claims about Iran’s goals and behavior that defy conventional expectations of states’ actions.
Governments can and have made catastrophic mistakes that have unintentionally led to their downfall, but no government in recorded history has willfully pursued policies it knows will proximately cause its own destruction. Given the novelty of the martyr state argument, its major implications for policy, and how unequivocally its proponents present it, one would expect to encounter an avalanche of credible evidence.

Yet that is not the case. References are scarce in this line of writings, and certain references are cited with striking regularity [and circularity]."

From Brown University's Journal of World Affairs
Is Iran a Martyr State? By Andrew Grotto
(Well worth the free registration to read)
http://www.bjwa.org/article.php?id=e506eJ8C0zf9h1KUsn9ha5z1IEm1Y5u9SM1jF5ED

 

BIBIJON

10:34 PM ET

May 12, 2011

@JGARBUZ

It is mildly interesting to read your reply in the sense that it reveals the shapeless anxiety and formless ghosts you convince yourselves to be eternally paranoid about. There is nothing I can say that would remedy this kind of self-tormenting disorder.

Time will heal a lot of things. There is a bright star shining above Iran, Turkey and Egypt. A lot of good, humane progress will come from that. You will find you will adjust to the new realities rather easily.

All the best,

B

 

PROCIVIC

2:26 AM ET

May 12, 2011

Where's the UN?

Perceptive post but Trita Parsi fails to mention what the Security Council would not tolerate from any other UN member state : the frequent and regular threats of attacking Iran by a state that has questionable legitimacy, a history of aggression against all of its immediate neighbors and one that has blockaded the indigenous people of Palestine of Gaza in what is the longest entrapment of a major population center since the Nazis laid siege to Leningrad.

 

DOBERMANMACLEOD

3:01 AM ET

May 12, 2011

Israel is a slave to it's military/industrial complex

Just so my Jewish friends know: I love Israel. Yet, sometimes it looks like Israel is becoming more like Nazi Germany every day. Any rational person ought to see a military solution with Iran is suicide by fear of death. You know, like the flawed reason that Germany attacked first to begin WWI.

More to the point: there is a revolutionary clean cheap and abundant energy generation technology. Israel would be FAR better off disseminating this technology (i.e. the Rossi E-Cat) to the world in terms of combating Iran, than they would by trying to wipe out Iran's nuclear infrastructure (and more importantly their nuclear program).

Image LENR replacing burning fossil fuel as a source of energy. Less than 1 cent per kilowatt hour electricity, very cheap desalination of water, greenhouses growing abundant amount of food, and very cheap transportation cost.

I guess when all you own is a hammer (Israel's military might), everything problem looks like a nail. Israel, your problems won't be solved by military means.

 

KAMPER

9:34 AM ET

May 12, 2011

No way

May god have mercy on there souls if they wish to invade Iran That would be David vs Goliath but I guess Israel have won Wars like that before.

 

KASEMAN

10:10 AM ET

May 12, 2011

the usual

How about this:
Israel is really an extension of the US, and like any other state, its #1 priority is to raid the Treasury, our Treasury, for as much as possible. Wank the Yank! Given its a military expansionist border state, and uniquely has 80% of the Congress making up most of its in-state raiding parties, then let it carry on with the Iran scare ! If it did bomb Iran, this looting of the Treasury will well be much less. Parsi is right when he says Israel is bluffing.

Ditto the bluff about Al Qaeda. It numbered less than 1000 in 01, in 12/09 Obama said its was under 100, in 5/10 Panetta said 50, all in Pakistan. Now we are told that with OBL out of the way we can leave Afghanistan. So we spent $1 trillion to get one man? Yes, but its a bluff for our military industrial security complex to incease its plundering of the Treasury . A very incompetent albeit expensive complex as we have learnt to our cost since 01.. But good for Israel and China!

 

STARGAZER

4:56 PM ET

May 12, 2011

The non-solution

It's odd that Parsi concludes this rationalization for inaction with a non-solution, one that has been tried but continues to fail throughout the Middle East:

"enable Washington to address the broader set of challenges presented by Iran that have been neglected -- which include Iran's regional policies, its human rights abuses, and the repression of the Iranian people's struggle for democracy."

This kind of solution to the Iranian threat (with or without nukes) is so trite and empty of value in light of the entire M.E. situation, that it effectively undermines the entire essay leading up to it. "Human rights abuses," "struggle for democracy"? The only add-on cliche that was missing was "Don't worry - be happy."

 

AARKY

8:49 PM ET

May 12, 2011

Bibi Wants to Attack Iran

OH MY GAWD!!!! How did we get someone talking about this issue other than another apparatchiki from AIPAC? It is a refeashing and long overdue article to counter the constant, "The Sky is Falling, We must attack now" propaganda from the Likkudniks. There are similarities in the thinking of the Bush and Netanyahu crowd. Even when their top intelligence people told them there was no danger, the political side continued to hype the imminent, but non-existent danger. In the early summer of 2008, the Israelis sent all their heavy hitters to ask Bush for an assist in an attack against Iran. He would later state that he was "angry" that he had to turn them down because all the US intelligence said there was no danger. Cheney had attempted to stop that National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) from being distributed. What should bother us is that the political side of the Obama government is still playing to the tune by Israel. Many Jewish members of Congress also support the radical ideas of Bibi. Zionists have infiltrated critical positions at the State Department and effectively sabotage any meaningful rapprochment with Iran. What is almost laughable is that the Israelis are starting to whine that Rand Paul is a danger to Israel because he would stop all the free money. That's how paranoid they are; that a man who has no chance of winning the Presidency is seen as a real threat.

 

HUMANIST_2

10:58 PM ET

May 12, 2011

Ari Ben Menashe would've knowb Iran won't build any type of WMD

Simple bare (numerical) facts pound devastating blow to Israeli deceptive propaganda. One wonders why the Likudniks are so naively arrogant.....also so short-sighted. Can’t they see apartheid and deceptive ways can’t stand the torrents of history?

Today is Tunis and Egypt.....day after tomorrow is the whole world including USA.

Here are some eye-opening facts.

1- Eric A Brill in his 40 page report shows “...not a single credible evidence of fraud is found in June 2009 Iranian presidential election”

refer to http://www.iran2009presidentialelection.blogspot.com/

2- Nima Shirazi lists, by date and source, almost 3 decades of lies about “Iran is building an atomic bomb”.

http://www.wideasleepinamerica.com/2010/12/phantom-menace-fantasies-falsehoods-and.html

...and here is something which might surprise us all ...hopefully soon:

No one talks about why Iran didn’t use Chemical weapons in its 8 year war with Iraq. Refer to Humanist’s comment in this post.

http://www.wideasleepinamerica.com/2011/05/iran-nuclear-scare-timeline-update.html

 

JAAPBO

4:27 PM ET

May 13, 2011

Israel also uses Iran to taint Hamas and Hezbollah as existentia

Israel also uses Iran's alleged nuclear weapon's ambitions to taint Hamas and Hezbollah as existential threats.
Clearly, neither Iran, nor Hezbollah, nor Hamas poses an existential threat to Israel. Israel is only looking for justifications for its expansionist policies.

 

JAAPBO

2:36 AM ET

May 14, 2011

ethnic cleansing in 1948:

ethnic cleansing in 1948: http://tiny.cc/wvhuw
Wars that were only necesarry because Israel was (and is) expanionist: http://books.google.com/books?id=hHQe4qn-EmUC&printsec=frontcover&dq=holy+land+maoz&hl=en&ei=SYrNTZOpHcek-gbflbmaDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA#v=snippet&q=wars%20of%20choice%20folly&f=false

 

JAAPBO

12:46 PM ET

May 14, 2011

Plan Dalet

Dream on!
Of course there was an ethnic cleansing. Why else would 80 percent of the Palestinian population have fled? Benny Morris says so, Ilan Pappe, Simha Flapan. These are all respected historians (although Morris is heavily biased).

 

JAAPBO

12:48 PM ET

May 14, 2011

The "Arab leaders' call to leave" is a myth

@Garbuz: You are really out of tone with serious history writing. The "Arab leaders' call" to Palestinians to leave is a myth. In reality it was rather the other way around. The Arab leaders urged the Palestinians to stay.

 

CLIFFBCALIF

4:54 PM ET

May 13, 2011

Diplomatic Jibberish

This brief essay demonstrates the foolishness that passes for intellectualism in the diplomatic / foreign policy world and ignores military reality.

First, the author never identifies verifies any Israeli leader seriously intending to bomb Iran. The effort would require more aircraft flying over to many targets for the size of the Israeli air force absent their use of nuclear weapons. The United States, if it wished, is more than capable of taking out the sites and destroying the Iranian Air Force and Navy along the way--a necessary step, but not difficult. And, yes a nation with our weapons systems can destroy and permanently seal Iranian sites and entomb / kill their workers and "no," the crowd killing Iranian military forces are not capable of an effective response.

However, that begs the issue of why do it as it is unnecessary. Let the Iranians live in their own culturally 10th Century world.
First, lets deal with the reality of dealing with the radical Islamic government ruling Iran. That would simply be impossible. The divide between secular, modern democracies and that regime are impossible to bridge. When a nation's leaders of a barbaric 10th Century mentality are characterized by their need to impose a backward and abusive way of life on the world, you isolate them.

If the secular intellectuals ever replace fanatical Muslim leadership in that part of the world and their youth are brought up to accept others and to change their societal norms, then, and only then can that society be dealt with and accepted into the universe of modern nations. That would require those nations in the middle east removing religion from having a role in government in all respects. Modernity requires a separation of church and state in all respects other than for ceremonial purposes. One cannot deal with a society that executes co-coreligionists for leaving their faith or prohibits and punishes missionaries from other faiths--for starters.

Second, the western military, including that of Israel, is more than capable of dealing with Iran--even when it becomes nuclear armed, and they are definitely on that path believing they will recreate the Persian Empire of old, forgetting that it was repeatedly defeated by lesser numbers of Greeks. As k the ghosts of Darius and Xeres how it worked out for them.

Next, neither Egypt nor Turkey were ever Israel's partners. It was a temporary association of convenience between them or perhaps between members of their military.

Turkey is now led by an Islamic government in forming that believes it can reimpose the Ottoman Empire on the world. As the United States will eventually discover, absent a change in Turkish government, they are not a reliable western style ally. Turkey keeps its (useless) participation in NATO, etc because it needs American arms. How ironic were they to break that tie and need to rely on Russia as a supplier of armament. Wouldn't that make for a strategic dilemma on Turkey's part. The United States needs to pull out of its bases in Turkey, move them elsewhere if determined necessary and then deal appropriately with Turkey.
Egypt may or may not be on the way to diplomatic self destruction. That future however will rest in the hands of the Egyptian military which has no interest in fighting another war with Israel, unlike the stance of others in its government, who are anti-Israel, but of course foreign ministry and academics never fight in wars. They just cause them to occur.

Iran will find it s nuclear weapons to be of no strategic value.

First, they will be informed by the US that their country is targeted by a large number of submarine based nuclear tipped missiles and they will be obliterated should they ever attempt to use one of their atomic weapons outside their own country.

Presuming, that as some Iranian religious leaders have allegedly stated they are willing to sacrifice themselves to remove the Jewish State as there are many more Muslims, when Iran obtains its nuclear weapons, Israel simply needs to inform the Muslim nations of the world that they are all in range of their Jericho missile system and that Israel's response will be total.
If Israel is attacked by nuclear weapon carrying missiles, the Jewish and Muslim worlds will simultaneously cease to exist along with the rest of Earth's population as the nuclear cloud sweeps over it.

Third, anti-missile systems available on US Navy Ships and at other locations are capable of nullifying any Iranian offensive capability. Further, the rapidly advancing Laser weapons systems of the US and Israel will soon totally nullify the offensive capability of Iran's missile systems along with that of their client regimes such as Hezbollah. They do not realize it, but the strategic balance is rapidly changing to the defense, if one is a technically advanced country. Also, are you familiar with the term Iron Dome.

Israel is a democratic country that needs no "strategic" alliances with unstable Muslim countries whose governments and people still live in the 10th century, on a good day. Their economy is booming, the nation has a decent standard of living, they produce more engineers and scientists per capita then anywhere in their world, their military capabilities are ever increasing and they should continue pursuing their current goals. Muslims are fleeing from many of their countries, but you co not see them evacuating Israel. Israel Arabs, with all their problems, live in the freest, most democratic, upwardly mobile society versus any of their counterparts in all-Arab countries. Arabs are Judges on the Israeli Supreme Court, serve as Generals and other officer level in the military, are professors, business people, etc in that society.

Israel should simply designate those area on the west bank which are going to be part of the new Palestinian State, advise any Jewish settlers in those areas they will not have protection from the Israeli Army after a certain date and need to leave or they are their own, advise the Palestinians Israel will remove any Hamas elected government and remove any missile / rocket installations by force and wish them adieu. Free elections are the objective, but the world cannot stand by and allow another country to elect a Nazi government as was tolerated in Germany in 1933. All free elections are not free if they result in a Nazi style government.
Inform the Arab / Muslims that just as the British theft of part of Ireland was not and is not legitimized by their renaming it Northern Ireland, neither was the temporary British theft by proxy of several Jerusalem neighborhoods by the British led and equipped Arab Legion in 1948 (when they drove Jews out of that area) legitimized by their attempt to rename that part of the city East Jerusalem. Of course, people can peacefully visit their Mosques (arrogantly) built on top of the Jewish Temple--but only in reasonable numbers. Then let the Palestinians know if they establish a government and culture that is of a western style 21rst Century mentality they can attempt to reestablish the economic ties between the areas from which so many Palestinians once economically benefited.

The west should encourage the Arab and Iranian populations to revolt and actively, surreptitiously of course, aid them with small arms and ammunition, if necessary as in Syria. Add to that broadcasts to Syria's Sunni soldiers to turn their weapons on the Alawite leaders and provide encouragement and whatever benefit possible to the Iranian students, et. al, and aid the Kurdish rebel groups with anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles in Turkey and Iran, etc. Lets help further the so-called Arab spring.

Maybe the good people of the Muslim world will wake up out their deep cultural sleep and once again, as in their past, reestablish a humanity based, academically advanced society that is not anti-Jewish or anti-Christian or anti-Western and provide women with the equal tights of human beings. Time will tell.

 

STARGAZER

6:20 PM ET

May 13, 2011

Doubtful results

Nice dreams, but highly doubtful:

"let the Palestinians know if they establish a government and culture that is of a western style 21rst Century mentality they can attempt to reestablish the economic ties between the areas from which so many Palestinians once economically benefited."

In the Muslim world, governments are not established, they are imposed. Cultures are neither established nor imposed, but are only the organic product of a thousand years of natural growth. The rare efforts to create a lipstick democracy in the Muslim world always disappears under any stress. They get quickly blown away like sand under the forces of their culture.

Democracy can only result with a respect for individual freedom. But freedom requires a respect for the "rights of man." But that's not possible in Islam, where the concept of "rights" does not exist: "rights" implies a respect for man-made laws.

Imposing a sham purple-finger democracy is no different than installing a light fixture in a house where there is no electricity for a hundred miles; or installing a sink where there is no plumbing, and pipes themselves do not exist. We can set up cell phones and internet in desert places and pretend they entered the 21st century, but they are quickly turned off by the supreme leaders under duress. The only apparent "right" in those countries seems to be the right of a dictator to keep his people in the dark.

Time will tell if democracy "is real" or possible in Muslim lands. Check back in a thousand years.

 

CLIFFBCALIF

4:52 AM ET

May 14, 2011

Flowers Pehaps, Weeds More Likely

I hope that the possibility of flowers growing in the Arab desert sand is possible, but wouldn't wager on it regardless of odds. The culture of Muslim nations is generally of a 10th Century nature and maybe will grow weeds, but more likely just churn over the sand. There will in all probability be no democracies in that part of the world. They would have the dilemma of deciding who gets to kill women whose behavior they don't like.

The United States has no strategic interest in that area other than ensuring the free flow of oil into the industrialized countries of the world. I would like to say at a reasonable price, but so far our government has not enforced that issue. Other than that, 99 percent of Americans couldn't care less about the fate of the Arabs, nor should we care. Other than the few idealists, everyone knows this to be true.

Arabs themselves could not care less about the Palestinians other than using their so-called plight to distract their populations attention from their own miserable existence. If the Arab nations cared, the Saudis and other oil wealthy countries would have been providing funds to the Palestinians to improve their life style in all those miserable camps they live in, but notice they have never received a dime (or its Arab equivalent) from the brother Muslims. Well living Palestinians would not provide the necessary focus for their populations. Oh, to be sacrificed on the alter of attention, or in other terms, those who live unnecessary poverty also serve--for those who are old enough to understand.

The Jordanians will never forgive the Palestinians for Black September. The Kuwaiti's will never forgive them for supporting Saddam's invasion force and the Saudi's will never forget that act on their part.

Israel should realize that as the only modern and western style nation in the area they cannot have a strategic relationship with any Muslim country as sooner or later, a la Turkey, their government reverts to a 10th century mentality. Long live the Ottoman Empire--wherever are its bones residing. The Kurds would be the exception to that statement and maybe the Jordanians.

Physically or otherwise Israel should wall itself off from those who seek to destroy it, maintain its strong technical and economic ties with selected western nations and others. And, of course continue expanding its Jericho missile system and its anti-missile defense, and improving its army. Israel's future is secure. Never count on the Europeans. Never forget, their populations aided in sending the Jews to the death camps showing their true colors which they repeated in 1973 when they refused to allow American planes to land there when carrying supplies for Israel. Europeans true colors are as always. Care to guess what is that color. Besides, notice how the French are continuing to welcome Muslim into their land.

 

CLIFFBCALIF

4:18 PM ET

May 14, 2011

7th Century is Probably Correct

I am afraid that you are both correct, but that still leaves Israel the dilemma as to what to do about the area in which the Palestinians live on the West Bank. The Gaza withdrawal experiment was certainly not a success. The world may ignore, but it can see, what the local population did with that opportunity. To bad, so sad.

Israel, I believe, still needs to establish a firm borderline between themselves and the Palestinian area--whatever they wish to call themselves.

Maybe they can convince the US to deploy troops into the Palestinian areas and they can establish a (probably temporary) democracy at the point of a gun just as in Iraq???? Right?

 

AFTERNOON JOE

9:23 PM ET

May 13, 2011

Odd Statement About Barak

This statement: "One of the few Israeli leaders who has consistently cautioned against Israel's alarmist line on Iran is current Defense Minister Ehud Barak" is interesting considering Barak has been the foremost proponent of the view that "all options remain on the table" for dealing with Iran's nuclear program. On the other hand, Barak has also come out strongly against panic in Israel over Iran's capabilities. This is not a contradiction; he wants to promote the view of Israel as a strong nation that isn't afraid of Iran (and he doesn't want to see mass emigration because of fear). Ergo, he has to assure Israelis that Iran's leaders are rational (and he probably does believe that) and Israel can handle whatever capability Iran develops, but he also strongly believes Iran is Israel's #1 strategic threat. A number of Israeli articles about Dagan's comments in January to reporters assumed that he was trying to block not only Netanyahu's, but Barak's, intentions to attack Iran, and when Ashkenazi retired as Chief of General Staff, Ha'aretz writers claimed he and Dagan were supporters of the Cabinet bloc that opposed those who wanted a strike on Iran - Netanyahu and Barak. Of course, who knows??

 

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