Monday, July 19, 2010 - 10:00 AM

There's been a mini-boomlet of late in arguments to put a military strike against Iran back on the table. Joe Klein had a solid article in Time last week arguing that the U.S. is reconsidering a military strike on Iran. There's a marginal poll showing 56% support for an Israeli strike on Iran (actually quite a low number, given the general enthusiasm of Americans for bombing things). There are Israeli reports that it has convinced the U.S. of the viability of a military option. There's Reuel Gerecht's long brief for military action in the Weekly Standard. There's yet another Washington Post op-ed arguing for brandishing a military threat. This is odd. The argument for a military strike is no stronger now than it has been in the past -- and in many ways it is considerably weaker.
Why is the argument weaker? Mainly because Iran is weaker. If you set aside the hype, it is pretty obvious that for all of the flaws in President Obama's strategy, Iran today is considerably weaker than it was when he took office. Go back to 2005-07, when the Bush administration was supposedly taking the Iranian threat seriously, with a regional diplomacy focused upon polarizing the region against Iran. In that period, Iranian "soft power" throughout the region rose rapidly, as it seized the mantle of the leader of the "resistance" camp which the U.S. eagerly granted it. Hezbollah and Hamas, viewed in Washington at least as Iranian proxies, were riding high both in their own arenas and in the broader Arab public arena. Iranian allies were in the driver's seat in Iraq. Arab leaders certainly feared and hated this rising Iranian power, whispering darkly to Bush officials about how badly they wanted the U.S. to confront it and flooding their state-backed media with anti-Iranian propaganda. But this did not translate to the popular level and did little to reverse Iran's strategic gains. The Bush administration's polarization strategy was very good to Iran.
Compare that to today, 18 months into the Obama administration. While I've been critical of parts of the administration's approach to Iran, overall Tehran has become considerably weaker in the Middle East under Obama's watch. Much of the air has gone out of Iran's claim to head a broad "resistance" camp, with Obama's Cairo outreach temporarily shifting the regional debate and then with Turkey emerging as a much more attractive leader of that trend. The botched Iranian election badly harmed Tehran's image among those Arabs who prioritize democratic reforms, and has produced a flood of highly critical scrutiny of Iran across the Arab media. Arab leaders continue to be suspicious and hostile towards Iran. The steady U.S. moves to draw down in Iraq have reduced the salience of that long-bleeding wound. Hezbollah has been ground down by the contentious quicksand of Lebanese politics, and while still strong has lost some of the broad appeal it captured after the 2006 war. Public opinion surveys and Arab media commentary alike now reveal little sympathy for the Iranian regime, compared to previous years. And while the sanctions are unlikely to change Iran's behavior (even if there is intriguing evidence that highly targeted sanctions are fueling intra-regime infighting), they do signal significant Iranian failures to game the UN process or to generate international support. In short, while Iran may continue to doggedly pursue its nuclear program (as far as we know), this has not translated into steadily increasing popular appeal or regional power. Quite the contrary.
So why the latest round of commentary about an attack on Iran? It isn't because there are new arguments out there. Gerecht's long Weekly Standard piece is typical of the genre, and could have been written any time in the last decade (and in the case of the Weekly Standard has been, repeatedly): we must bomb Iran because there are no other policy options which guarantee success; the risks of an attack are exaggerated; the benefits of an attack are great; and Iranians and Arabs secretly want us to do it. Nor have the rebuttals changed: other policy options are available, which at least slow down Iran's progress towards a nuclear weapon even if they do not provide the kind of epistemic certainty which hawks crave; the risks of an attack are many and real; the benefits of an attack are likely to be less than advertised; and it is exceedingly doubtful that Arabs or Iranians will in fact rally to support an Israeli or American attack. These arguments are now as familiar as wallpaper, from the arguments over Iraq from the 1990s-2003 through the long years of arguments about Iran.
I suspect that the real reason for the new flood of commentary calling for attacks on Iran is simply that hawks hope to pocket their winnings from the long argument over sanctions, such as they are, and now push to the next stage in the confrontation they've long demanded. Hopefully, this pressure will not gain immediate traction. Congress can proudly demonstrate their sanctions-passingness, so the artificial Washington timeline should recede for a while. The Pentagon is now working closely with Israel, it's said, in order to reassure them and prevent their making a unilateral strike, which should hopefully push back another artificial clock. That should buy some time for the administration's strategy to unfold, for better or for worse. An attack on Iran would still be a disaster, unnecessary and counterproductive, and the White House knows that, and it's exceedingly unlikely that it will happen anytime soon. But the real risk is that the public discourse about an attack on Iran normalizes the idea and makes it seem plausible, if not inevitable, and that the administration talks itself into a political corner. That shouldn't be allowed to happen.
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actually quite a low number, given the general enthusiasm of Americans for bombing things
Dude, seriously? This is how you try to discount the poll findings?
Agree that it's not the most welcome comment by certain segments of the population, but Lynch is right - certainly serves well as a joke/pointed comment
Marc, you haven't factored in the ECI. As for only 56% of Americans being onside, that could very easily change -- as it did back in 2003. Finally, as for Israel, it has established a record for not letting the left hand know what the right hand is doing. The Pentagon may well be working with the Israelis, but that doesn't mean they aren't also planning a first strike against Iran.
The "bomb Iran" argument has always been out there, as Dr. Lynch makes clear in his post. In fact, the argument has been out there in the public discourse since the mullah's seized power from the American-backed Shah of Iran in 1979. Ever since that Islamic Revolution, the United States had been more than content with marginalizing (or trying to marginalize) Iran's clerical leadership, at that of course includes the threat of military force.
But for me, the popularity of military force has more to do with domestic politics than anything related to reality. Campaign season is fast approaching, and the Republicans are trying to find some major issue- any issue- to discredit Obama's record. Iran could very well be that issue; Republicans could argue that the Obama administration policy thus far has been lackluster and unresponsive; his engagement strategy has failed to change Iran's behavior; sanctions will not work; and sanctions came at the price of alienating our Turkish and Brazilian allies.
Whether this is actually true is a whole other debate. Yes, Iran's nuclear program is still churning up uranium, but it's doing so at the expense of an Israeli and Arab backlash. In fact, Iran's nuclear program seems to be the only issue that Arab Governments and Israel can agree on.
Nevertheless, campaigning is not exactly in sync with reality. Exaggerating threats and selectively highlighting the President's weaknesses have been around ever since campaigning for office was first embraced in this country. So expect Republicans to over-hype Iran this fall, just like Democrats complained about Iraq during Bush's tenure at the White House.
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lets bomb iran to get us through the mid term elections
let us hope that cameron plays blackadder to obama s baldrick in telling him precisely why his cunning plan is not going to work, although not as eloquently as ben elton would have put it
It is all about we need a new War
I hate to make a short trite comment when so many of you have informed and well thought arguments. But in my opinion it boils down to the fact that we need a new war to keep the military-industrial complex humming alone. With Iraq winding down (we only need 50,000 men and they won't be using up the high tech expensive weapons) And with Afghanistan going badly so that they may have to abandon the place. They need a new playground. We have started with the demonetization of Iran and Korea for that matter. Are either of these two a threat to the US and if they are can't we defend that threat from our side of the pond just as well?
American people are being lied to again
Americans and even ordinary Israelis are being lie to by a huge anti-Iran lobby. If the sanctions are to block the Mullahs from making a Bomb, How come they just blocked TOFEL for ordinary Iranian students? How come they are blocking some goods that is only going to hurt ordinary Iranians and not the Mullahs?
Why not just find the Mullahs bank accounts all over the glob and confiscate billions of dollars they have stolen from Iranian people?
By hurting ordinary Iranians, west will not win their support. Threatening Iran with destruction will even make it worth. If it was not for Saddam's attack on Iran in 79 that distracted Iranian people, these maggots called Mullah would not have crawled out of their nest call Qom.
Nothing like fighting three wars at the same time, eh?
Why should I take an article seriously that says American love to bomb things?
And who would take reader comments seriously that say 99% of Americans are ignorant?
Isn't it possible to get better quality people writing here?
The authors often struggle with analysis and complex situations, while the commentors just cut to the chase "Why put an attack on Iran back on the table?" - because of the Joos!
If we assume the Iranians are sane and wouldn't want to risk their own destruction solely for the chance to lob a nuke at some Jews (and if we don't assume that, clearly the risk is far higher), then Israel will be the least affected by an Iranian nuclear bomb. If you want to get some impression of what Arab nations in the Middle East think of the situation, see (non Jewish) UAE: http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2010/07/uaes-ambassador-endorses-an-american-strike-on-iran-contd/59257/
I like the flat out antisemitic comments posted here
It's like because these people are using screen names, they don't even bother to hide the fact that they are antisemitic. I guarantee most would not make the same comments using their real names and addresses. It's pretty sick to see
Here are a few delights from this post:
"Hillary Clinton, always in the pocket of the Jews, wants to obliterate Iran."
"So I guess 56% of americans want their kids to die for Israel."
"Pays to be Jewish! Bomb..... and then what? No Arab is going to be more pro Jew or pro American as a result. On the contrary. We'll make a billion more enemies on top of the billion from our Jewish led (Weekly Standard et al) and illegal invasion of Iraq did."
Don't forget Khan's "Jew crook Netenyahu" comment. Call him a crook, I don't care. But what does it matter that he's Jewish? Does that make him extra crook? Is it to point out that he's a Jew and a crook, so correlation necessitates causation? I've seen many of Khan's outright racist comments before and they're neither worth much time or effort addressing. I would think that FP would filter the discourse that takes place on here a little more...to me it discredits the site to have low-lives like these posting here.
The spammers posting ads for sports jerseys get deleted (meaning there is someone filtering the content), but comments full of racist drivel thrive. At the least the spammers don't quote the Protocols of Zion Elders.
Yes I completely agree with you and complained to the magazine's management but have not heard from them yet. They must be in the pocket of the other side.
A few of the regular commentators on this site are pure garbage.
Why, indeed, put any suggestion of bombing Iran back on the table? The very idea is madness - but that did not stop us from starting two wars - one totally based on a fabrication, the other poorly prosecuted and ultimately destined to become a failed effort.
Both Iraq and Afghanistan continue to demonstrate both the total failure of our foreign policy and the limits of our power. So what do the neocons do - of course let's double the bet and invade another Islamic nation. The justification? Why worry about the facts - we have done it before - we can base our miltary effort on -as yet unfounded and groundless - fears about whether or not Iran is actually going to acquire the means to assemble nuclear weaponry. As usual, in our arrogance we will ignore the warnings of anyone who cautions us that this could just be a monumental mistake.
The reality is that, if you think Iraq and Afghanistan have been tough nuts to crack, Iran will be the mother of all nightmares for the US and any nations (except Israel) that want to ally themselves with us in the venture. Iran has three times the population of Iraq, they have the ability to cause mischief in other states where they have been supporting Islamist insurgencies (Lebanon, Yemen, Afghanistan, Iraq to name a few), and they could shut down Hormuz and drastically impact the world supply of petroleum (about 20% of the world's oil supply). The impact on the US and the rest of the world will be catastrophic. And the result would be to galvanize the Islamic world and much of the so-called third world in opposition to the US. We would provide the basis for solidifying support for Iran among its own people, and the most effective recruiting tool yet devised for Jihadists all over the globe.
Of course, all of this means nothing to the "bomb - bomb - bomb- Iran' nutcases and the right wing military-industrialists who have been itching for a scrap with Iran for decades. They will never come to their senses, and more's the pity - because in the process they will bankrupt our country and destroy our constitutional form of government.
Attacking Iran is a dangerous game
It seems the world is on a dangerous course, and I do not understand why America is too eager to hand over the right to guide the world. Every direction I turn to see if I can find some sane mind, the only word I hear is attack'em, attack'em, attack'em NOW. The last time we heard such euphoric reaction to a supposedly reasonably confirmed threat was on Iraq, and seven years later look where we are at. We lost so much treasure and we lost so many brave Americans, not to mention how many civilians have died on the account of that deviously cooked trick.
The Afghanistan issue has yet to find a closure, now the mission is so large it is taking us to Pakistan, and in the region there is Iran. I am not an expert in world diplomacy nor am I too knowledgeable in the science of harnessing nuclear energy, but I am an adult with clairvoyance that we are heading a dangerous path. The Iraq war kept us busy while we lost the chance to tuneup our economic engine, as a result we touched HELL come back alive. The next time round there will not be touching and back, the spring (our political and economic leverage) we used during the previous administration is loosened and it does not have the same characteristic to recoil when we need it to. So that means the next time we take a bungee jumping like we did on Iraq, we will be fast approaching the ground head first.
Even those that like to see our demise or self-destruct will not like to see us exit that way. So let's re-think before we immerse ourselves into another mess with unknown depth. Unlike Iraq, the Iran mess is deeper than many of the drum beaters would like us to believe. Once we take a jump, we are saying to the world WE SURRENDER and LET SOMEBODY TAKE THE STEERING WHEEL OF WORLD. At the moment there is no deputy standing next to us to take the steering wheel should we take that jump, let us train someone, at least. It seems we are determined to fail, and we are trying to make hard for the potential deputy to take care of the the world we are willingly giving up.
Since when have "we" become such cowards? Iran is the cancer of the world, metastasizing its oozing infectious hateful politics into every nook and cranny of the western world. I say we pulverize their nuclear sites and be done with it.
This statement: "The botched Iranian election badly harmed Tehran's image among those Arabs who prioritize democratic reforms, and has produced a flood of highly critical scrutiny of Iran across the Arab media." What Arabs? Please name them, I don't know who they are. As for the Arab states, how can they be critical of Iran's "election" when not one of them is a democracy: Lebanon's is fragile; Turkey's is far from robust and Egypt is a dictatorship that wants to be perceived as a democracy. Iran is shi'a (so, too, Iraq) and the Sunni majority despises Shi'a. Regional animosity toward Iran may even have less to do with sectarian antipathies or even oil reserves and more to do with fear and envy - Iran has the scratch ingredients for a nuclear bomb, one , if it ever comes to fruition, grumpy revolutionary theocrats might use on one of them.
There is no silver bullet policy at this point.
"other policy options are available, which at least slow down Iran's progress towards a nuclear weapon even if they do not provide the kind of epistemic certainty which hawks crave"
Mr. Lynch, you present this statement without providing any examples. It is not surprising that after a year of attempts to get Iran to come to the table - which they had refused, after toothless UN and US sanctions - which most analysts agree will do little to hinder Tehran's nuclear ambitions, and after constant spin from Ahmadinejad to conceal the obvious (what defense will he cook up next? Oh, that's right, today his administration proclaims the US is supporting terrorism....he never fails to steal headlines and divert attention from the real issue.)
What do you propose we do now diplomatically? Get on our knees and beg? Either way, denouncing the option of attack while not providing a single counter-example for effective diplomacy makes your argument incomplete. While your anti-hawk, pacifistic argument is eloquent, it does nothing to help the world rid itself of a child desperate to go nuclear.
all politicians have their reasons
I suspect that the Democrats may feel they have some unfinished business to attend to concerning Iran. Remember how President Jimmy Carter suffered electorally over the capture of the American hostages, the perception being he was not as assertive as he could be to ensure their freedom. Once of course Rocket Ronnie was elected, the hostages were released, but that's another story.
Since I do not believe in my heart of hearts that 99% of Americans are dimwits, we can only hope that a war with Iran will be seen by the public as nothing more than a furphy by the neocons and some in the current regime who are illusory enough to call themselves 'democrats'..
I wonder what the fans of bomb-Iran think would happen to the world oil supply and therefore the already fragile world economy if such attacks were actually carried out?
The same thing that happened in the Iraq attack. They will safeguard the oil fields before they do ANYTHING.
The Jew Neocon crooks are alive
They are the ones who are beating the drums of war and the biggest of these crooks are in Israel. Just read Netanyahoo's daily threats against Iran.
The Jew Neocon crooks did such an excellent job in America and now that America is so dearly loved in the world and has become so economically rich and stable, never mind the Trillion dollars, that America must pay heed to the Jew Neocon crooks again and repeat the par excellence performance by bombing Iran and this time, instead of just using depleted uranium, use actual nuclear bombs.
Because using nuclear bombs is the only way America will be able to destroy Iran's subterranean facilities.
And one more thing, the Brown people, just like the Negroes, do not feel the pain, so it is alright, moral and a Christian thing to nuke Iran.
Long live the Jew Neocon crooks' America.
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Bomb Iran and USA and Israel together with Iran will be doomed..
These Americans are really very gullible and cannot let others live in peace all over the world.
One thing for sure, if Iran is bombed, you would get the full fury of Iran for years and years to come.
Dont be soooo stupid as to think Iran is like Saddam Iraq . you bomb and he just kept quiet.
Iran invented the 21st century Assymetic warfare.. and today before you gullible people make the biggest mistake of your lives which sure would bankcrupt USA and with Israel wiped off the map. Why
Iran would wage an asymmetric war against US and as we all know there is just no way USA can invade Iran and therefore Iran can never lose. Bomb as much as you will, Iran is so huge.
!0 years or more of missile productions and preparations did not went for nothing. Iran will fight USA to a stalement USA cannot afford financially ... Iran can. The entire ME would go up in flames from Iraq all the way to Alganistan.
Even right now Nato is losing the war in Alganistans against a few ragtags with primitive weapons. What if these Talibans are given modern day missiles and anti tanks from Iran after you bombed them? Nato would be fried in Afganistan.
Iraqi Shiites would join forces with Iran to attack Israel and US forces in Iraq and those bases in ARAB countries.
Meanwhile Israel is not facing just Hezbollah ,but Syrians, Iranians , Iraqis, Hamas all attacking with stockpiled weapons Lebanon 2006 style where just 3,000 determined fighters held up Israel's entiere army. Where Hamas stood up to Israeli tanks in the last Gaza war and who the cows here think Israel can defeat Hezbollah while the rest sit by? Stupid dont you think?
Syrian and Iran has a mutual defence pact and when this big war starts, SYRIA HAS TO J OIN IN.
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They are being systematically misled by false propaganda. Many americans realize what is happening and are trying to have their voice heard
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All this concern about pundits and Republican members of Congress expressing support for Israel and not a word about President Obama's plans or the support Congresssional Dems have voiced on the floor of the House is political gamesmanship.. For example, when the flotilla incident occurred the Dems from NY, from the floor of the House,were very clear at great length that they supported the actions of the the Israelis in stopping and bording the ships as part of the blockade. A blockade they said was necessary in large part due to Iran's ongoing efforts to supply Hamas with weapons and rockets. I suspect they too would voice their support of Israel to defend itself by engaging in a premptive strike should it be necessary. In fact ,Obama himself has stated that he would do everything in his power to stop Iran from building/acquiring nukes while he is in office. His administrationn, Sec Gates for example, has stated that sanctions will not stop Iran's program and, at best, they will only slow it down. Sec Clinton and Sec Gates have both said that the sanctions are meant as a signall to Iran that if Iran does not forgo it's program other measures will be taken. What measures are those?
When SOS Clinton last year embarked upon the wild goose chase of trying to negotiate a swap and enrich deal with Iran', it was widely held that Iran would have enough enriched material with which to build a bomb within a year. The goose chase afforded Iran that one year plus time and in the interim Iran has stepped up it's enrichment activities. Now Iran's enrichment activities are said to be far in excess of what Iran needs for it's medical/energy needs and sanctions have yet to persuade Iran to give up it's program. To the contrary Iran has said sanctions will not cause them to stop.
Given Iran's history of supplying terrorist with weapons and it's oft repeated attitude that Isarel should cease to exist, both Israel and the US can not afford to allow Iran to go nuclear. Furthermore, regardless of what position the pundits or various members of Congress take (or the President for that matter) Israel will undoubtedly do what it needs to do to stop Iran. With or without the US. Trying to postulate that Republicans have some sort of a secret agenda to draw us into a war with Iran, so that Obama does not have to take resposibilty for what may indeed happen, is political gamesmanship and ignores reality.
Instead of engaging in such things FP should be asking Obama, SOS Clinton and Sec Gates what the plan is to stop Iran if sanctions fail to deter Iran? Which, by the way, is likely to be the case. Or has Mr. Obama quietly switched to a policy of "containment" and abandoned his pledge to use all means to stop Iran? If the answer is containment, how does that lessen the tensions in the middle east or lessen the national security issues presented by a nuclearized Iran? Seems to me it only worsens the situation in all aspects. The clock is ticking rapidly. Even if it takes Iran another two years to assemble a bomb or two (which is the estimated time frame) that time,like the past year, will go by very quickly. Iran, in the meantime (as with it's stall tactics in the past) has continued to send very mixed messages about further talks. There is every reason to belive that if Iran does sit down for another round of talks it will be a further delaying tactic.
In his speech at West Point Mr. Obama clearly stated that there can be no doubt that if terrorist are allowed to get their hands on nuclear materials they will use them. The liklihood of them doing so is exponentially increased if Iran is allowed to proceed with it's nuclear program. Gambling that containment will somehow decrease the threat is not a risk Israel is willing to take, regardless of what position the pundits, Obama or the members of Congress take. More importantly, it should not be a risk Obama is willing to take either. One or two dirty bombs (or a samll nuclear device) smuggled across our porous southern border by one of Iran's terrorist proxies is the losing end of the gamble.
BTW, as it stands right now, should there be a need for us to take military action or provide support for any such action by others, vis-a-vis Iran, our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq are strategically positioned to respond. Pulling them out of Afghanistan and Iraq all together gives up that advantage, and it will cost us more to reinsert them into the region if they are redeployed there to respond to anything that may take place in Iran or the Persian Gulf. The Iranian leadership has undoubtedy taken notice of the same and that places pressure on them. The pressures, in all their forms, should not be removed until Iran ceases it's program. Suggesting that Obama and/or the Dems, as opposed to the Repubs, would not support military action against Iran, if needed, removes some of the pressure and ignores the reality of the risk posed by a nuclearized Iran.
Fact of the matter is that the Repubs do not need the Iran issue to capture voters from Obama and the Dems. The voters are plenty angy over the healh care law,Obama's refusal to enforce immigration laws already in place, high unemployment, loss of our manufacturing base to China, and the continued huge deficit spending driving our economy to the brink, etc..Bombing Iran is not going to be the issue that drives the up coming election. However, the reality and danger of an Iran with nukes is what is driving the discussion about what to do about the Iranian leaderships' efforts to go nuclear. Particularly in light of the fact that sanctions are probably not going to work and allowing Iran to go nuclear and switching to a containment policy only makes matters worse..

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