Tuesday, June 22, 2010 - 3:45 PM

This weekend Israel, under growing pressure from Washington, announced a change in the siege strategy toward the Palestinian population of the Gaza Strip. Up until now, Israel's strategy has been to deny entry of almost all goods, except the most basic supplies it alone deems necessary to prevent a humanitarian catastrophe. The list of goods that Israel has allowed into Gaza has changed, sometimes daily, as the Israeli government has sought to maintain its absolute, arbitary control. Gazans, faced with the engineered shortages of everything from diapers to coriander, have imported all manner of goods through an underground tunnel system linking Gaza with Egypt. As a result of the attempt of the "freedom flotilla" to break the siege and the resulting international outrage led by Turkey against Israeli actions on May 31, the Israeli government has promised to modify its draconian policies. Yet the debate over what kind of siege to place on the Gaza Strip and its 1.5 million trapped Palestinian inhabitants avoids the critical point.
Instead of playing the game according to rules set by Israel, the international community must focus on creating an entirely new border regime on Gaza's land borders and sea and air corridors; a regime that removes Israel from its commanding role as gatekeeper, encourages Egypt to establish economic links with its Palestinian neighbor, that establishes land and sea corridors that operate according to internationally accepted standards, and that restores to Palestinians a system to import and export goods and services according to their abilities and preferences--not those of their enemies.
The failure of the international community to confront Israel's decision to isolate Gaza from Israel and the West Bank is at the root of the web of crises centered on Gaza today. However understandable the international focus on Gaza's humanitarian emergency, what is at issue is the fact that Gaza's current nightmare is the consequence of Israel's continuing effort to separate the political, economic, and security destiny of the West Bank from that of the Gaza Strip--an objective that the international community has tacitly supported because of opposition to Hamas' rule in Gaza (for more on this, see Tony Karon's piece in Time magazine and Marc Lynch's Middle East Channel post).
Framing Gaza's problem as a humanitarian issue represents a victory for the view of those intent upon tinkering at the margins of the ongoing crisis. Continuing to view the unconscionable humanitarian consequences of the embargo on Gaza that has increased incrementally over most of the last decade as simply the result of security or logistical shortcomings (a view that continues to be the case today), condemns the people of Gaza, more than half of whom are under the age of 18, to unending misery at the hands of a policy that has destroyed the economic fabric of Palestinian society.
Despite the recent show of concern for the Palestinians of Gaza, the international community (led by the United States), has been an active accomplice in the current crisis, focused on softening the hard edges of Israel's draconian policies in a manner that leaves the essence of the policy intact and which acquiesces in, rather than challenges, Gaza's engineered descent into penury. International inaction is almost solely the result of opposition to Hamas--arising from a fear that any amelioration of the Gaza status quo favors Hamas to the disadvantage of the "Ramallah model" represented by Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and Prime Minister Salaam Fayyad.
"This is a moment of clarity for all Palestinians, and now comes a moment of choice," President Bush noted in July 2007, shortly after Fateh's expulsion from Gaza. "The alternatives before the Palestinian people are stark. There is the vision of Hamas, which the world saw in Gaza--with murderers in black masks, and summary executions, and men thrown to their death from rooftops. By following this path, the Palestinian people would guarantee chaos, and suffering, and the endless perpetuation of grievance. They would surrender their future to Hamas's foreign sponsors in Syria and Iran. And they would crush the possibility of a Palestinian state." The widespread adoption of Bush's narrative guaranteed the "chaos, suffering, and endless perpetuation of grievance" that he promised.
That said, the economic strangulation of Gaza actually preceded Hamas' election victory in January 2006 and Fateh's bloody expulsion from Gaza in June 2007. It is rooted in Israel's 2004 decision to "disengage" from Gaza. This policy resulted in an end to Israel's permanent security and settlement deployment in Gaza, but also to a marked a change in its economic, trade, and labor relationship with the territory. An Israeli policy of economic estrangement along the Israel-Gaza frontier aimed at minimizing the transit of Palestinians, Palestinian labor, and economic trade across the Gaza Strip-Israel border and forcing Egypt to re-assume the economic and security role it played in Gaza before Israel's June 1967 occupation. This latter policy represented a reversal of Israeli policies pursued from the inception of occupation in June 1967, and it enjoys broad popular support in Israel.
Draconian restrictions on the entry of Palestinian labor to Israel, the failure to establish a reliable export/import regime through Karni and other crossings, and the stillborn safe passage route linking Gaza with the West Bank--all signature elements of policy before June 2007 and indeed before Hamas' parliamentary victory in January 2006--are the product of this strategic re-evaluation of Israeli interests. As such, the policies that have so stirred the international community in recent weeks are not incidental byproducts that can be solved by technical fixes of the kind now being proposed, but rather are integral to Israel's strategy. Even before June 2007, this system resulted in the creation of a "soft quarantine" that created substantial economic dislocation in Gaza and led to widespread flight of Gaza's manufacturing base.
Hamas's rout of Fateh in June 2007 only confirmed Israel's policy of keeping Gaza on what Israeli official Dov Weissglass once cynically referred to as a "diet" (first announced in the wake of the Hamas January 2006 victory), and created an opportunity to gain international support for implementing it more broadly--by suspending indefinitely Gaza's normal trade with Israel and lowering the bar to permit limited "humanitarian" imports, narrowly understood. It's not as if the international community didn't notice. Within weeks of the intensified Israeli embargo, the World Bank offered a critical view of the new status quo:
[T]he entry of humanitarian goods is a necessary but insufficient condition for the survival of the Gazan economy, which is already in dire straits after almost two years of restrictions. A sustainable solution must allow for imports and exports at the very least at levels similar to those pre-crisis which were already deemed insufficient and not meeting the minimum targets set in the AMA...the current restrictions on the entry of goods and services in and out of Gaza is not unique to July 2007. It has been underway since disengagement, and the Bank and others have quantified the impacts. As such, the pillars of Gaza's economy have weakened over the years. Now, with a sustained closure on this current scale, they would be at risk of virtually irreversible collapse.
Limited and basic border operations enabling the transfer of goods from Israel to Hamas-controlled Gaza were functioning within days of the Hamas takeover. Three years on, these operations remain elementary, informal, unwritten, impermanent, and non- transparent. The official transit of goods exempted from the general ban--whether imports from abroad or from Israel/West Bank--is impossible, unless individual exceptions are granted by Israel.
Permitted goods enter Gaza in an environment that meets the minimum security and operational standards acceptable to the parties involved. This fact needs to be highlighted. Security issues related to the operation of Israel's border with Gaza have been solved by Israel and Hamas. This limited and elementary system--in its security and operational dimensions, is working according to the standards set for it (primarily Israel) and it is evidence of the modus vivendi established between the interested parties, principally Israel and Hamas' security forces in control in Gaza.
This "system" has met the security and operational conditions established by Israel for the successful provision of basic humanitarian goods. To the extent that Israel is a party to practical cooperation with Hamas to ensure minimal border functionality, Israeli officials are adamant that this is a function of operational cooperation only and does not reflect any political reconsideration about the need to destroy Hamas. Hamas is prepared to cooperate in this effort--to demonstrate to Israel (and others) that it is the responsible security address in Gaza and to provide for its people. Ironically, the government in Gaza is the most ardent champion today of a liberal trade regime with Israel (and Egypt) and the party most interested to restore a variation of the status quo ante at both Karni and Rafah.
Israel has chosen to lower the bar that defines its responsibilities for the welfare of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip under the Fourth Geneva Convention, responsibilities which Israel's own foreign ministry acknowledges that it retains despite disengagement. It treats Gaza as an "enemy state," imposing pressures on Gaza which, had they been visited on the people of New York or Paris, would long ago have resulted in endemic anarchy and mayhem. That Gaza continues to function today is a testament not to Israel's or the international community's humanitarian impulses, but to the remarkable social cohesion of Palestinian society and, let us acknowledge the fact--to Hamas's governing skills.
The United States needs to begin showing far greater creativity and boldness in breaking with the tactics of the Bush administration. President Obama will find it difficult if not impossible to achieve his stated goal, of two states equally free and equally secure, by continuing the failed policies that have led to the disaster of the Gaza Strip.
Geoffrey Aronson is the Director of Research and Publications at the Foundation for Middle East Peace and editor of the Foundation's report on Israeli Settlement Activities in the Occupied Territories. He is a consultant to the EUPOLCOPPS security mission in the West Bank and was a member of the World Bank team during Israel's disengagement from the Gaza Strip in 2004-2005.
To those of us who have closely followed Israel-Palestine affairs for years, none of this is news. Yet it is important that an establishment journal such as Foreign Policy is featuring this article on its website. Now, how to get the mainstream newspapers to publish this kind of information -- and I don't mean on page A24.
What the US and its vassal states are supporting is a slow-motion genocide. Let the hasbarites and the lobbyists gasp in manufactured horror and shock, but it's time to face up to the fact that we in the West are behaving far worse than our WWII generations, who are constantly criticised for doing nothing in response to the news that Hitler was exterminating Jews. For us, "never again" means never again shall the Jews -- in this case, Zionists -- be without all the toys of war and oppression they require in order to make the Palestinians pay for what was done to the ancestors in Europe.
Now, if we can get Hamas to agree to recognize Israel's right to exist and stop all rocket attacks and attacks against Israel, we might get somwhere. Let's see if Hama uses the next period in time to use the cement and metal products that are needed to rebuild infrastructure or will they be used to rearm. If used to rearm, Israel will reattack. And then where are we?
Let's see what happens. Let's see if Hamas uses the next period of time to rebuild and live in peace with their neighbors or uses the time to teach hatred and destroy.
Thanks for your time.
Where to begin debunking this nonsense
"Instead of playing the game according to rules set by"....Israel, Egypt, the Palestinian Authority, apparently the author thinks we should play by the rules set by Hamas. Whereby, it can take a belligerent stance, ally with Iran, shoot rockets, launch attacks, stir unrest in Egypt, and kidnap soldiers and have no consequences for its actions.
Why is it that this author, from the United States seems to know much better on how to treat Gaza than its immediate neighbors, Israel, Egypt, and the Palestinian Authority in Ramallah?
"The failure of the international community to confront Israel's decision to isolate Gaza from Israel and the West Bank is at the root of the web of crises centered on Gaza today. "
At the present stage, the root cause is Hamas' belligerence. Israel set the terms on the table. Stop launching rockets, return the kidnapped soldier, stop launching attacks across the border, and the siege will be lifted. Hamas what's your counter offer? Oh, to build military bunkers, horde gasoline for military purposes, fire rockets, import Hizbollah and al Qaeda agents, allow for the Muslim brotherhood to plan attacks in Egypt in your territory and incite your population to mass violence? Thanks, but I think I'll pass on that great deal.
The so-called international community (if such a "community" exists - few if any times has it actually acted as a community) has chosen sides. Don't pretend that Hamas does not have its allies. Syria and Iran are its prime supporters along with Hizbollah. Should we feel bad that the U.S. backs Israel, the Palestinian Authority, and Egypt, while Iran and Syria back Hamas? If they don't like it, let them find new, stonger allies. How? Maybe by changing their policies just as Sadat did 30 years ago.
The Palestinian election was no different than any other country's election. Lets say in the past, if a country voted for its communist / socialist parties it would end up aligned with the Soviet Union. If it voted for its capitalist / western oriented parties, it would end up aligned with the United States. The people of Gaza similarly had a choice: vote for Hamas and be aligned with Syria and Iran or vote for Fatah and be aligned with the U.S. They made their choice, now they have to live with it. Yes, you are collectively responsible for choices made collectively (i.e. elections).
"Draconian restrictions on the entry of Palestinian labor to Israel, the failure to establish a reliable export/import regime through Karni and other crossings, and the stillborn safe passage route linking Gaza with the West Bank."
Oh, I am sorry I forgot that there is some natural right to let foreigners work in your country. Hey, all of Mexico, just walk on over and come work in the United States. Israel has no duty to employ Palestinians. It can't even employ all of its own citizens, Jew and Muslim alike. Individuals like Wolfson purchased the industries and greenhouses of the former Jewish residents' of Gaza. He handed them, as a gift, over to the Palestinians. What did they do with that productive industry? Tear it apart for scrap. Oh, and a safe passage route through Israel? That's not a right. It's a simple equation. Either Israel is cut in half by a route linking gaza to the west bank or Gaza and the West Bank are cut off. Apparently, Israel doesn't want to be cut in half. I doubt any other country would agree to such a situation either.
Moreover, the regimes in Gaza and the West Bank are totally different and at WAR with eachother. Hamas was pushing Fatah members off of roofs to their deaths. Fatah was arresting Hamas members. The last thing either wants is an infiltration of the others members in their territory. And, the last thing the more prosperous west bank residents want is an influx of their poor, uneducated, radical, and violent "brothers" coming from gaza into their areas. Yes, believe it or not, any visitor to the region will see that Gaza and the West Bank are nearly two distinct entities, separated by wealth, education, values, and even arabic dialects.
"Ironically, the government in Gaza is the most ardent champion today of a liberal trade regime with Israel (and Egypt) and the party most interested to restore a variation of the status quo ante at both Karni and Rafah."
This is total nonsense. Yeah, Hamas calls for the destruction of the "Zionist Entity" but would really like a free trade agreement with it, similar to NAFTA. And that bit about Hamas wanting the Status quo ante at Karni and Rafah? Well, they should have thought about that, before they drove off the European border crossing monitors with bullets. Yes, Hamas was the group that caused the status quo ante to change. Had, they not came after the europeans there, then maybe there would have been a freer system. Should have thought of that earlier, boys.
And again, you want free trade, then you have to give something up. How about starting with Gilad Shalit. It's called quid pro quo. Stop crying about how you want an open border and instead give something to get what you want.
"That Gaza continues to function today is a testament not to Israel's or the international community's humanitarian impulses, but to the remarkable social cohesion of Palestinian society and, let us acknowledge the fact--to Hamas's governing skills."
This has to be the biggest load of crap ever written. The international community feeds these people, the world's perpetual welfare case. And they do it at their own risk, as Hamas will shoot and chase you out, if they don't like your operations (like how they shut down a UN summer camp and blew up a US Dept. of State convoy granting fullbright scholars to palestinians in gaza).
Also, I guess when you kill and persecute the opposition, its a lot easier to govern. Imagine the Republicans getting their agenda done if they just killed or jailed all the Democrats. And on the same grounds, Zimbabwe is functioning and so is Iran. That must be a testament to their governing skills. I mean both Mugabe and the Ahmedinajad / the Ayatollahs just kill and persecute their opposition and manage to keep their inhabitants poor but alive. All this in the face of world condemnation! What great saints and leaders.
"President Obama will find it difficult if not impossible to achieve his stated goal, of two states equally free and equally secure, by continuing the failed policies that have led to the disaster of the Gaza Strip."
Yes, Gaza is all the U.S. President's fault. Or all of Israel's fault. Or all of Egypt's fault. It couldn't possibly be the fault of the Palestinians at all. Not even 1%. I mean, declaring war in 1948, staging terrorist attacks throughout the 50s, 60s, and 70s from Gaza, two intifadas, and electing a world recognized terrorist group, Hamas, as your leaders? No, it must be everyone else's fault but theirs.
This is what is called the racism of lower expectations. The Palestinians are treated as "pets" who just can't control themselves, feed themselves, or do anything. They need our welfare, our aid, and us to push to get them whatever they want. They just never have to take responsibility for their actions.
The Palestinians have their allies (Syria, Iran, Turkey), they made their choices (electing Hamas), and they can equally negotiate to end the situation if they don't like it. No one is starving to death in Gaza or dying from malnutrition. Instead, they let a coalition of useful idiots, bigots, and antisemites argue their case, so that they do not have to give anything in return. Congratulations, you have been played, and you will continue to foot the bill to these eternally violent, radical, welfare cases.
here is where you should begin
I recommend that you go and study world history and foreign affairs in any university even if it is an israeli university because it is quite embarrassing to here you speak because it seems you have just landed from the moon or something. I don't know your nationality, but if I know, I will take an oath of never setting my foot in that country lest I end up getting jailed because the immigration at the airport think am forging a passport because they think my country does not exist
Gee, I dunno. Maybe by actually reading the article?
"Why is it that this author, from the United States seems to know much better on how to treat Gaza than its immediate neighbors, Israel, Egypt, and the Palestinian Authority in Ramallah?"
Why is it that some author from the United States seemed to know much better on how to treat Poland than its immediate neighbors, Germany and Russia?
That should suffice to make clear how incredibly stupid your question was.
"At the present stage, the root cause is Hamas' belligerence."
Riiight. How about a little quiz? Put these events into the correct chronological order:
a) Hamas takes power in Gaza.
b) Abduction of Gilad Shalit.
c) Blockade of Gaza.
Hint: It's not a, b, c.
And another little task. Find the following sequence in the article, then correctly interpret it in context: "...which is already in dire straits after almost two years of restrictions."
"Israel set the terms on the table."
Nonsense. Israeli officials have only ever vaguely talked about this in interviews, but never ever made any official offers of any kind to Hamas. Unless you come up with proof for the opposite - that is, an official offer - kindly STFU.
"Oh, I am sorry I forgot that there is some natural right to let foreigners work in your country."
And I am sorry you forgot that Israel has signed a US-brokered agreement on free movement. I am also sorry that you are unable to distinguish between a safe passage route an a territorial annexation. And I am truly sorry that you are so ignorant that countries around the world grant free passage to commercial traffic of various kinds.
"And, the last thing the more prosperous west bank residents want is an influx of their poor, uneducated, radical, and violent "brothers" coming from gaza into their areas."
So, you know that... how? By the utterings of Palestinian officials, all of whom say the exact opposite? By polls? By personally asking each and every inhabitant of the West Bank?
"Also, I guess when you kill and persecute the opposition, its a lot easier to govern."
Wait, this is from the guy who just advocated going to war with any territory whose inhabitants vote for people we don't like? According to your logic, Obama should just send the Air Force to bomb the shit out of, say, Arizona. Would serve the damn Tea Party crackpots right for voting the wrong people into power, eh?
"The Palestinians are treated as "pets" who just can't control themselves, feed themselves, or do anything. "
No, the Palestinians in Gaza are, by people who are not complete and utter morons at least, treated as people who are prevented by Israel from exporting anything and from importing raw materials, spare parts and basically anything else you need to keep a civilian economy running. The entire point of the article, which you really ought to read if you find the time, is that the blockade has destroyed almost all economic opportunities for Gazans.
Then again, you probably think that Gaza should have just magically transformed itself into an autarkic economy able to do without any outside trade connections, on 139 square miles. Would fit the level of economic knowledge you have so far displayed.
In relatively closed societies, operating with powerful security
agencies, I assume the neighboring countries know a lot more. Hamas is still a closed and secretive organization (funding, structure, leadership). Egypt is also closed and relies heavily on its intelligence capabilities to keep the government in power. Israel also does, but to prevent terrorist attacks. thus, I trust these neighboring countries a lot more than some backwards journalist from the United States.
Poland is an open democracy along with Germany. Russia is in between.
Thus, your analogy does not hold, so STFU bitch.
And that "free movement" agreement was signed by Israel and the PLO / Palestinian Authority. Guess what, hamas is the government in Gaza and is not a signatory to the agreement. Hamas has also stated it will not honor previous agreements made between the Palestinians and Israel. So that agreement doesn't hold for Gaza.
Oh, and the differences and animosity from Palestinians in the West Bank vs. Palestinians in Gaza, here is your proof (but maybe you know more than a famous palestinian sociologist who actually grew up in the palestinian territories and lives there):
Due to these different circumstances, residents of the two areas (west bank and gaza) have developed a quiet animosity toward each other. Khalil Shiqaqi, a prominent Palestinian sociologist, after conducting hundreds of interviews, notes the presence of "a psychological barrier between the inhabitants of the two territories and . . . mutual suspicion" that cannot be "disregarded or ignored."5
Shiqaqi's study, entitled The West Bank and Gaza Strip: Future Political and Administrative Relations, shows the existence of a prevalent West Bank belief that the Gaza Strip is "nothing but a big refugee camp."6 Further, West Bankers see the Gaza Strip as a backward society with "increased crime . . . and inclined to roughness, extremism, grimness, fanaticism and instability."7
Of particular interest is Shiqaqi's mention of the period between 1967 and 1971, when approximately 20,000 Gazans emigrated to the West Bank towns of Qalqiliya and Tulqarem. Extensive interviews revealed that during this first attempt at integration between the territories, tensions ran high. West Bankers saw their guests as messy, dishonest, less cultured, less educated and predisposed to poverty.10 Gazans felt that the local inhabitants were "racist," and treated them as "third class" citizens.11
According to an Israeli internal security (Shin-Bet) report before the outbreak of the Intifada, those sentiments have generally gone unchanged. The report noted "mounting hostility and a growing rift between the West Bank and Gaza Strip," to the point that "senior officials in the West Bank are against opening the 'safe passage' route [between the West Bank and Gaza Strip], as the result could be to flood Judea and Samaria with Gazans."12
When you kill and persecute the opposition, its a lot easier to govern. - this isn't an endorsement you idiot. It's just a fact.
The Palestinians have been the world's "pets" for years. They are too focused on destroying Israel rather than building their own society.
Oh and proof of the terms Israel has put on the table - just ask Egyptian intelligence chief Omar Suleiman. For the past few years he was the one who had the official Israeli terms and was designated the negotiator between Israel and Hamas. Or, maybe the Israelis just sent him out to get them a pizza. So yes, the terms have been set and the offers made. If hamas rejected them, then they have the consequences to deal with.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/world/2008/05/20/talking-to-terrorists-how-israel-is-negotiating-with-hamas-for-a-gaza-cease-fire.html
http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel-egypt-negotiate-terms-of-new-gaza-truce-1.278962
Now, kindly put your foot back in your mouth.
"Poland is an open democracy along with Germany. Russia is in between."
You're really that ignorant? You did really not realize that I kinda referred to a different time when Russia and Germany were quite closed societies with quite good 'security' arrangements (Poland too, btw) and, well, those two had certain ideas about Poland? Around 1939? Ring a bell?
"And that "free movement" agreement was signed by Israel and the PLO / Palestinian Authority."
And that kinda makes it non-binding how? And that kinda affects how Israel never followed up on it *before* the Hamas takeover how?
"Due to these different circumstances, residents of the two areas (west bank and gaza) have developed a quiet animosity toward each other."
Even if one were to accept this as representative, which is not necessary, it's a far, far, far cry from your outlandish original claims.
"this isn't an endorsement you idiot."
You did endorse exactly the same thing earlier. You were just too dense to notice.
"The Palestinians have been the world's "pets" for years."
Oh yeah, now you're really cranking up the rhetorics, aren't you? Just repeating the same nonsense will somehow make it more true, right?
"Oh and proof of the terms Israel has put on the table - just ask Egyptian intelligence chief Omar Suleiman."
Didn't I tell you to STFU if you couldn't bring proof of official offers?
Now you come up with two newspaper articles, one of which contains the writer's personal, unsourced, opinion that a truce would 'ease or lift' the blockade (gee, how concrete) and the other not referring to the topic *at all*.
"Now, kindly"
What, you can't even come up with your own rhetorical schticks? Do you ever do anything yourself?
By the way, I also can't help noticing that you didn't complete the quiz. Too difficult?
Haha, you didn't refute anything. I showed you
the animosity between palestinians, including a desire of West bankers to be separated from Gazans, the the non-binding (dead) agreement on free movement, and proof of negotiations between Israel and Hamas (which obviously includes terms of negotiation) done by General Omar Suileiman.
Nice try though, mate.
Yeah, that's why you quietly dropped...
"Haha, you didn't refute anything."
... all of your outlandish claims except for the single one where you found some straws to grasp.
FYI: A vague 'animosity' doesn't mean 'do not want in our country'. If that were true, Israelis would be banned from entering basically any country on the planet, except maybe the US. Also see Northern/Southern Italy, West/East Germany, Blue State/Red State, whatever.
Then again, I do not see what point one would make by this anyway. 'Hey, other Arabs don't like them either, so we have a licence to treat them like shit'? Sounds like something you'd support.
But of course we hear nothing more about your pathetic attempt to put 'Larry Derfner fantasies = offer to lift the blockade' or about the fact that Israel never followed up on its agreement on free movement, even long before Hamas took over. Oh, by the way, what about the quiz? Managed to wrap your mind around the concept of 'time' yet?
Usual Hasbara tactics. Either support your lies by further lies or drop them and make up new lies.
Long, drawn-out paragraphs to say absolutely nothing. Same old mountain high lie.
What a bunch of nonsense in one article
There was no siege or anything of the sort untill the hamas came into power and was shooting at the crossings, it is everyones fault besides the hamas, where does this nice writer live? Imagine you live in San Diego and Mexico is launching a thousand rockets at your kids Mr Aronson, what would you do in order to keep the pressure on the terror group who is devoted to destroy you. It is the palestinians fault for electing hamas we all know what they are about.
The hamas will not agree to any foriegn force at the crossings, why do you think that it has not happened yet, they want to import weapons for the next round, who is going to make sure that the weapons don't come in there you mr Aronson, lets see your kids taking rockets for a few days. No foreign force ever does the job properly like we do, look in Lebanon in Egypt unfortunately Israel cannot afford to take that risk.
You want us to give afe passage to the west bank? You know how quick the rockets will be landing in our center and our aairport, it is easy to sit in the U.S and Europe and come up with great ideas that put Israel at risk but ask yourself if your kids were there would you do the same thing, I don't think so, thanks for supporting the terrorists again it is nice to see this in the western world
Aravy - lets have thousands of rockets fired at your house
and see if you like it. Don't worry, there is "only" a 10% or less chance of you, your wife, or your children being killed or having a leg blown off.
yeah, according to aravy's logic we should feel bad for the terrorist who has bad aim. Why not give them all target practice, so they can kill you easier?
That is the typical terror supporting excuse, those rockets are harmless and they fall harmlessly, it is the the arab logic speaking, than why do they fire these rockets ??? for fun and boom sounds if they are so harmless answer that those are made to kill just because we have alarms and shelters and they are not a 100% accurate doesn't make them less harmless. It is in Israel's interest to have a palestinian state although for all the years Jordan and Egypt controlled the territories there was no such wish by anyone.
Diet ?? The palestinians are the biggest aid recipients out of any group in the world so called "Refugeees" which live in cities, they are the only ones who have a special aid agency, it is an invension of the arabs resettlwe them already or shut the ....up. There is no humanatarian crisis they have enough of everything it is just a lie, so what we are at war be thankfull for the humanity we show.
We want the gazan economy to flourish it is the hamas who ruined it, Israel does not want any thing to do with gaza dont you get it, take it please just don't try to harm us.
How much american taxpayer money has been spent to support palestinians, I bet you more than arab money, ( terror means not included). Who weere the only people to dance after 9-11 yep so shut up and be thankfull america supports you at all. Ethnic cleansing phrases that is all you guys have left you lost in the battlefield now you just try to illegitamize us.
All of Gaza city celebrated the 9/11 attacks along with Ramallah
and he equates it with some fairy tale about a few mossad agents? Wacko alert.
But Israel's attitude toward Gaza is simply too close to what the Nazis did to the Jews themselves. How is this different than any ghetto? Boxing hundred of thousands if not millions into horridly small premises then denying them basic necessities is wrong. Period. Until Israel takes a different tack, the "PR" will never change.
Well, Israel sends in over 14,000 tons of aid to gaza nearly on
weekly basis. The palestinians when able to exit go out and buy new motorcycles. They have markets, a 4 star restaurant, and recently have a new Olympic size swimming pool built in gaza.
did the nazis give the Jews in the ghetto an olympic size swimming pool? What about the four star restaurant? Oh, and were those jews in the ghetto swearing to destroy the existence of germany? Were they doing suicide bombins, kidnappings, and launching rockets? Were the jews given a territory in europe and then elect terrorists to power?
Have you ever even been to Gaza? I have. I saw markets full of goods. There were summer camps and at one point, students being given fullbright scholarships (until hamas blew up a State Department convoy). Hansj you are truly ignorant.
"did the nazis give the Jews in the ghetto an olympic size swimming pool?"
According to the Nazis, they actually gave them a whole, nice, comfortable city: Theresienstadt.
"Oh, and were those jews in the ghetto swearing to destroy the existence of germany?"
According to the Nazis, that's exactly what they did.
"Were they doing suicide bombins, kidnappings, and launching rockets?"
According to the Nazis, Jews were responsible for terrorist attacks on German forces in Russia.
And now for a more serious note: Save the drivel about 'full markets' for economic idiots. Rational thinkers happen to know that even in the most underdeveloped parts of the planet, there always is a small segment of society who are wealthy and comfortable. I can show you full markets everywhere. In Ethiopia, in Bangladesh, heck, in North Korea even. Such anecdotes don't mean a thing to the general population. The only meaningful information here is expressed in big numbers, but again, the targets for your propaganda drivel are probably just as bad at math as they are gullible.
Well I am glad you believe what the Nazis said. It says a lot about you. Maybe you also believe they are the master race...according to them its true.
I believe the Nazi propaganda about as much...
... as I believe your propaganda. Which was kinda the point. Which you missed. Unsurprisingly.
"if, however, the jews had been firing rockets at german cities instead of winning all these nobel prizes, it would reasonable to lock them up in ghettos."
So, what the Germans did was only evil because they were *mistaken* about Jews being enemies of the German people? If some Jews had actually fired rockets at Germans, that would have been justification to round up all the Jews in ghettos? You would have seen nothing wrong with that concept? So if an SS member was actually convinced that Jews were behind bombings in occupied Russia which killed German soldiers and civilians, he should've had a clear conscience herding Jewish civilians into camps?
Are you nuts?
Oh no, another "you must be a mossad, propagandist, or "hasbara
agent, if you don't agree with me" tactic. Nice try koshiro. Not everyone who disagrees with your holy opinion is wrong.
"if, however, the jews had been firing rockets at german cities instead of winning all these nobel prizes, it would reasonable to lock them up in ghettos."
The Nazis did claim that the Jews attacked them, especially partisans in Russia. So basically, anybody who honestly believed that should be exonerated from any responsibility because this is, according to YOU, a sound reason to herd a whole populace into camps. This inevitably and logically follows from what YOU said, but then again I have a feeling that whenever you post something, there's not much of a thought process involved.
The palestinians are like the people in the United States
in housing projects and on welfare, who then choose to shoot at the police who come to help and sporadically riot whenever they feel like it.
They are the world's biggest welfare case which thanks the world for the aid by pioneering hijackings, terrorism, and suicide bombings. Let them live in the world they created, with their allies Iran, Syria, and Turkey. Those countries can worry about them, instead of the western countries, who they profess their hatred towards.
Well, I see that the hasbarites and GIYUS gremlins are out in full force. There goes another promising conversation down the toilet.
Lol, you forgot mossad agents Deliah!
Everyone who disagrees with you must be a Hasbarah Agent, Giyus (I doubt you know what that is), or Mossad! It only makes sense, right?
The same logic would make you a....hamas member.....which is a recognized terrorist organization. should someone call Dept. of Homeland Security on you?
Yeah like ad hominem attacks by Delia and Ippon, then
dropping the word "nazi" in there. Everyone is an agent of Israel or a Nazi, or both. Get over yourselves.
Anyone who supports ethnic cleansing
is a nazi? That's good, because here is what Hamas said:
Nizar Riyan, a Hamas leader in Gaza, says his organization is determined to have Israel wiped off the map and be replaced by a state of Palestine.
Speaking with the Hamas television station, Riyan called upon the PA Arab factions in Gaza to keep fighting the Jews "even if the Arabs and Abu Mazen do not agree, until the last Jew leaves Palestine."
Riyan called for the bombardment of Ashkelon "until its Jews run away just like those of Sderot...
"[Hamas] will not change a single word in its covenant [which is calling for the destruction of Israel]."
(Mahmoud Zahar, Hamas leader, after casting his vote in the Gaza Strip, January 25, 2006)
"We do not recognize the Israeli enemy, nor his right to be our neighbor, nor to stay (on the land), nor his ownership of any inch of land.... We are interested in restoring our full rights to return all the people of Palestine to the land of Palestine. Our principles are clear: Palestine is a land of Waqf (Islamic trust), which can not be given up."
(Mahmoud Zahar, Hamas leader and candidate to the Palestinian legislative council, Palestinian TV, January 17, 2006, Newsday)
"The vanquishing of the enemy in Gaza does not mean that this stage has ended. We still have Jerusalem and the pure West Bank. We will not rest until we liberate all our land, all our Palestine. We do not distinguish between what was occupied in the 1940s and what was occupied in the 1960s. Our Jihad continues, and we still have a long way to go. We will continue until the very last usurper is driven out of our land."
(Sheik Nizar Rayan, Hamas "political" leader, at a rally in Gaza, Al-Jazeera TV on September 16, 2005, MEMRI)
"By God, we will not leave one Jew in Palestine. We will fight them with all the strength we have. This is our land, not the Jews..."
"You will have no security except outside the homeland Palestine.... We have Allah on our side, and we have the sons of the Arab and Islamic nation on our side."
(Abdel Aziz Rantisi, Hamas leader, June 10, 2003, interview with Al-Jazeera, Jerusalem Post)
Funny how things come back to bite you in the ass, right Ippon?
Ippon, you have to understand that people like these...
... literally cannot comprehend the concepts of ethics, or laws, or moral standards. It's all about 'us' versus 'them'. That one, such as me or you, should absolutely agree that Hamas are fascist a-holes and yet despise Israel's policies all the same, simply does not click with their mindset. For them, it's all about 'with us or against us'. If you criticize Israel, you obviously must love their enemies.
And it wasn't Ippon's dad molesting him, it was
Mossad agents!!!!! (or it could be paid "hasbarah" agents too, don't forget that Litz.)
well, that's the excuse your dad gave to the court.
The judge didn't buy it. Also, when are you going to find a job?
... questions and comments obviously directly meant for him?
Israel is not a country for peace
Before its birth, Zionist terrorists in Irgun Zwei Leumi and the Lehi began a brutal campaign of assassinations, bombings, kidnappings, intimidations and sabotage.
In the early days, Jewish fighters massacred scores of unarmed Palestinians villagers to depopulate Arab areas in a desperate move to land grab.
This selfish attitude continues up to the present day, with armed settlers evict Palestinians from their homes and burn olive trees. An unbelieveable 24,145 Palestinian homes have been demolished since 1967 !
There are 223 Jewish settlements built on confiscated Palestinian land. And yet they want more land. This week 88 Palestinian homes in Jerusalem are marked for destruction to make a theme park.
What do you expect when the current Deputy Prime Minister of Israel is a former member of Kach party, a declared terrorist party.
Yet the Palestinians, who do not even have a single tank, are portrayed as the aggressors.
Is a degree of collective punishment inherantly a bad thing?
This article makes the assumption that the very idea of economic punishment, not merely the degree of it, is flawed. But is that the case? Israel has to win the hearts-and-minds war, not just on the battlefield. And since there's no way it can get the Palestinian public to change its ideology, the best Israel-- or any supporter of a stable peace-- can hope for is to convince the Palestinians that peace is in thier self interest.
Those in Gaza elected Hamas, a party that refuses to stop waging war untill Israel and its Jewish population are destroyed or "moved," whereas the West Bank has Fatah, a party willing to negotiate. Every mainstreem Israeli party, even Likud, supports a peaceful 2 state solution, as do most Israelis when polled. (Even many settlers have said they'd be willing to give up their homes as part of an agreement if they were convinced that agreement was tenable.) The difference is only one of degree; Labor favors a softer hand, Likud a more realist approach, and Kadima unilateral action.
Even though Hamas won due to Fatah's failure to provide basic services, there were still large amounts of Gazans who supported it due to its violent policies, and those who voted based on services still need to be held accountable for the violent concequences to innocent Israelis. (Even though relativly small numbers of Israelis have been killed by rockets, there are 10,000s of children who've been psychologically traumatized, and hundreds of thousands of civilians who have been living in constant fear.)
Likud's strategy was two-fold: Increase economic prosperity in the West Bank, and decrease it in Gaza. (Of course, the media almost never talks about the aid Israel has given to Palestinians in the West Bank.) In concept, this holds the average Palestinian voter accountable for thier actions. Collective punishment in the form of violent force, like warfare, is clearly abhorent, but so is the idea that voters in any country (not just Palestinians) can design a foreign policy without any responsibility for the concequences.
Clearly, the blockade has gone too far, although it was recently loosened. But Israel did attempt to provide humanitarian exemptions, and the goal hasn't been to starve people to death, even if some people did die as a side-effect. The article dismisses the idea that any kind of economic leverage could be legitimate. But what other option is there? Israel needs to influence the Palestinian public somehow, and unless it gives up on targeted military operations and starts bombing palestinians at large, which most Israelis and the rest of the world would consider immoral, there doesn't seem to be another option.
While I believe the Bush administration and every American Administration of the last half century has a lot to answer for vis-a-vie the Middle East in general and the lack of Israeli/Palestinian peace in particular, I find it hard to lay the blame for Gaza at the feet of George Bush and his "moment of clarity, " speech in June 2010. However, I have written recently that until the international community lives up to its responsibility and actually puts a well trained peacekeeping force on the ground in Gaza to separate the warring parties and guarantee the delivery of food, medicine and suplies the people of Gaza will continue to suffer and worse. Go to;
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Resolving-the-Gaza-Crisis-by-Larry-Snider-100623-310.html
to view my article.
Shalom-Salam-Peace,
Larry Snider
Likud's strategy was two-fold: Increase economic prosperity in the West Bank, and decrease it in Gaza. (Of course, the media almost never talks about the aid Israel has given to Palestinians in the West Bank.) In concept, this holds the average Palestinian voter accountable for thier actions. Collective punishment in the form of violent force, like warfare, is clearly abhorent, but so is the idea that voters in any country (not just Palestinians) can design a foreign policy without any responsibility for the concequences.
Clearly, the blockade has gone too far, although it was recently loosened. But Israel did attempt to provide humanitarian exemptions, and the goal hasn't been to starve people to death, even if some people did die as a side-effect. The article dismisses the idea that any kind of economic leverage could be legitimate. But what other option is there? Israel needs to influence the Palestinian public replica IWC somehow, and unless it gives up on targeted military operations and starts bombing palestinians at large, which most Israelis and the rest of the world would consider immoral, there doesn't seem to be another
Likud's strategy was two-fold: Increase economic prosperity in the West Bank, and decrease it in Gaza. (Of course, the media almost never talks about the aid Israel has given to Palestinians in the West Bank.) In concept, this holds the average Palestinian voter accountable for thier actions. Collective punishment in the form of violent force, like warfare, is clearly abhorent, but so is the idea that voters in any country (not just Palestinians) can design a foreign policy without any responsibility for the concequences.
Clearly, the blockade has gone too far, although it was recently loosened. But Israel did attempt to provide humanitarian exemptions, and the goal hasn't been to starve people to death, even if some people did die as a side-effect. The article dismisses the idea that any kind of economic leverage could be legitimate. But what other option is there? Israel needs to influence the Palestinian public replica TAG somehow, and unless it gives up on targeted military operations and starts bombing palestinians at large, which most Israelis and the rest of the world would consider immoral, there doesn't seem to be another
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